Pipe organ vs. digital organ..

Who!! Marcussen, Sonnenorgel, very interesting approch, dear Paul ❤❤
I can't wait to listen to this documentary video....

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I'm using a pair of Sennheiser headphones and there is a night and day difference on my phones.... the bass line on the pipe organs comes through in rich full detail while the digital recreation is weak and non existent.... (not being critical.... just stating what Im hearing... others no doubt will disagree).

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always pipe organ!! lol

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Sehr schöne Beispiele. Ich hätte gern alles in voller Länge gehört. ❤👌👍🏻

Hauptwerk is very convenient for practicing, but nothing can replace the sound of real pipes in their intended acoustic space!

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Bravo Maestro Paul Fey, ich freue mich sehr. Dankeschön 👌👍👏

I very much appreciate the comparison, Paul. For the most part the similarities are there and can make any home organist proud!

Of course, "there's nothing like the real thing". Without real (and great) pipe organs, no samplesets. The technical advances do make it possible for both the hobbyist and professional to practice and play without "going to church". No doubt Hauptwerk set ups will become smaller and more portable. (Look at the history of the cellphone). From Chicago, U.S.A.

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It’s difficult to tell at times because we’re listening to both through loudspeakers. In a live church setting the real organ will always win because of the limitations of hearing the hauptwerk sound through amplifiers and speakers. This limitation is the same whether it’s a hauptwerk sample or a digital synthetic organ such as a Rodgers, Allen, Johanneus etc.

Hey, lieber Paul. Sehr interessant die Vergleiche. Es ist schon eine feine Sache mit den "Heimorgeln". Die Authentizität von Kirchenorgeln ist doch unübertroffen. Jedoch sind die Heimorgeln eine großartige Sache! Was die Technik alles möglich macht, ist erstaunlich. Danke für deine Vorführung en. Liebe Grüße bis bald sendet dir Steffen aus der Stadt der "Original Sonnenorgel in Peter und Paul" 😊.

I really enjoy this kind of videos. I sounds like you are getting closer to your fans!!! Fan of Paul Fey forever!!!

Listen baby whippersnapper, don’t be calling 2011 very very old and acting like we were using wax records to record. 😂🤣

Paul, deine Brillanz zeigt sich am deutlichsten in deiner Musik und in deiner Sprache – ein junger Mann, der von Gott gesegnet ist!

I bet you'd get the same results if you used two different recordings of the same real instrument and asked an expert to tell you which is the Hauptwerk. They've done similar experiments on wine and Stradivarius violins. Once you reach a certain level of quality, anything further is virtually undetectable.

Eine echte Pfeifenorgel in der Kirche ist natürlich das Nonplusultra - hat man eine Orgel zur Verfügung, die eine entsprechende Anzahl Manuale und Register hat. 4 Register je Manual und nicht einmal ein Prinzipal 8' dabei ist schon sehr begrenzend, da wünscht man sich lieber eine digitale Orgel mit mehr klanglichen Möglichkeiten 😊.

Dear Paul, that was a very informative and interesting video today. What a privilege to have a home organ that sounds so good! Unless they were side by side for comparison, it would be pretty difficult to tell the difference. The reality is, not every person or church can afford the real pipe organ so having a digital organ of that quality is a real blessing! Thank you, Paul, for your most personable and candid contribution to we who love beautiful organ music and the Lord! You’re always a warm, bright spot in my day. Royden

I think Caimari Organ wins 😂 , thanks Paul

Your mic placement for the real organs sounds better for me than the sampled ones from Hauptwerk. They sound far too distant and stereotypical.

I clearly hear the punch of the wind through the pipes in your recordings.

Hallo Paul, Ich benutze Grand Orgue und würde gerne auch Hauptwerk benutzen, also wollte ich die kostenlose version ausprobieren allerdings kommt dann beim öffnen von Hauptwerk eine Fehlermeldung die sagt: "License Support Components Required". Ich weiß nicht was ich jezt tun soll

This whole comparison is ridiculous.hauowerk is pastiche

thanks.

Recording is one thing, but listening live is quite another. While Hauptwerk can always be counted on to be in tune and devoid of the goblins that sometimes affect pipe organs, no microphone/speaker combination ever existed that can capture and reproduce sound precisely as the pipe organ produces it. Hauptwerk is generally fine for recording, but there's no contest when it comes to actually being there.

The Bach Organ is my favorite sound!! Thanks for sharing! I wish there was a pipe organ locally that I could play. The closing song was awesome!!

Paul how with the Hauptwerk do for Acoustics from inside the church ? MagicalPipes

I can usually tell by the acoustic -- the digital instruments' acoustics sound a bit "stale" -- "too perfect", sometimes a bit muddy (especially in rooms with a long reverberation time -- not well-blended with the room).

Most interesting. Thanks, Paul.

In both cases, I'm listening to these clips on my computer speakers. How can we tell the difference when the sound being produced through the same speakers while listening to this?

In a real world example in a building, I can almost always tell if an organ is an appliance or real by the reverb of the room. The closest to fooling me is the temporary organ being used in the Cathedral of St. Andrew (Episcopal) while their pipe organ is being rebuilt. The reason why is that the temporary organ does not have its speakers pointing at the congregation. The speakers are pointed in the apse so that the organ sound mixes there before coming into the nave.

The biggest problem with electronic appliances is when they point the speakers at the audience/congregation. The sound doesn't mix.

Pipe sound.
More pure when side by side with first demo standing alone both not bad seems like digital a little muddy especially in fuller registrations

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The original it's so much better

Hallo Paul ich würde gerne ein Video sehen von zwei großartigen Orgeln in der Basilika in Ottobeuren ( Süd Deutschland) hier steht eine 250 Jahre alte 4 Manualige Chororgel und hinten auf der Empore steht eine neuere 5 Manualige Orgel deren Klang einfach überwältigend ist besonders das 32 Fuß Register im Pedal ist so voll im Klang einfach Überwältigend.

The main problem is that programs such as Hautpwerk are niche products. Their budget for R&D is very limited. With proper equipment and software (adaptive neural networks) the net result would be indistinguishable compared to the “real” thing. But there is no market for it.

Nothing can beat a real organ. It's not just the raw sound, it's the feel and how the sound fills the space (and changes in it). Extreme example for feel: once you're down at 64', the feel of it on your solar plexus is special. I'd say it's near impossible to tell between two recordings, though. Especially since the recordings are on different mics and in different locations (most differences I heard were due to that).

That said, the vast majority of churches today can't afford a proper pipe organ and some, even if they could, have no architectural space for one (and the remodel would be too expensive). So many church organists have had to deal with synthesized sound (like an Allen Organ my church has), and a Hauptwerk would be such a fantastic upgrade. I truly hope churches start moving away from synthesized to sampled (Hauptwerk) when they cannot get a real pipe organ.

Very interesting video ❤❤
Thank, Paul, for sharing these organs in comparison with Haupwrek versions. Specialy Marcussen, a splendid organ (remember your first visit and video where I discovered you ❤)
Also Sonnenorgel of course but the Bach Armstad HW seems to me the closest approch of the real organ effectively.
For us who are very far away, your videos and sound recordings are precious for discovering these magnificent instruments, a big thank you for all your working, dear Paul ❤❤❤❤
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The only thing that gives away the real organs is the fact that their tuning is always more sour, whereas the HW version tends to be close to perfect / the ideal, which almost never happens in real life. But you didn't hear the two recordings back-to-back, I don't think you could really know the difference.

over the speakers it can be enhanced but in person there is absolutely 0 comparison and a good pipe organ always wins.

The problem with making judgments about sound in this context is that all of the examples have been filtered either through the processes of the microphone and/or the processes of the speakers. Understandably that is simply part of the equation. However, hearing a well-voiced, characterful pipe organ in the flesh in an appropriate acoustical environment is a world apart from any form of recorded sound. Even a splendid pipe organ when recorded is diminished to a degree by the recording process.

It was very interesting

Great job Paul! While Hauptwerk is not a pipe organ it is getting so close that it is able to keep excitement for the organ alive, especially when one cannot afford a pipe organ or have no space for one! This allows many students to have a practice organ that would otherwise not be able to. It allows many churches and auditoriums to feature the organ as well. Keep up the good work!