Mr. Dave Liebman talks about "free" jazz.

Just a wonderful four-minute essay on free jazz and jazz in general. Brilliant guy. Anyone who can rattle off a string of obscure Eastern European early 20th century classical composers and refer to them as "these cats" is a-okay by me.

To say that an Ornette Coleman Tune can not be remembered is the Reason why Dave Liebmann never got „Free Jazz“. Really he is a great Musician, but his linking of Free Jazz to Schönberg is a very Eurocentric View.
Be Bob with its integration of Blues in to chromatically extended Functional Harmony was screaming for a Reaction: Free Jazz first and mostly abandoned the Song Forms, the Rules of Chord Progression but most often it was not Atonal. It had shifting and/or layered Tonality.
That Dizzy Gillespie was so upset by Free Jazz was the Fact that it came already 15 Years after the first Recording of Be Bop.
He rightfully thought that Be Bop deserved a longer Time at the Vanguard of Music.
To make it clear: I love Ornette Coleman’s Harmolodics as I love Dizzy‘s Cubob, 2 of the greatest Music Inventions for my Ear.
David Liebmann became the Successor of Dizzy Gillespie as one of the Main Professors of Be Bop.
But as Dizzy he doesn’t have the inner Need to play Free of Form.
I saw the most striking Saxophone Solo Koncert in my Live by David Liebmann, because he mastered BeBop that even me as a absolute Non Musician had the Feeling that every improvised Note as chromatically off from the Tonic was highly Emotional and logical.
I usually do not listen to a lot of Solo Music, but that Concert was a Highlite for me.
I just would not follow him in his teachings about Free Jazz.

Of course, you can do both, but not at the same time. Dave Liebman continues to. If you want sonoriity, listen to the duo album he did with Bobby Avey, Vienna Dialogues.

Maybe enjoyable for the musicians but to me as an avid Jazz fan an unholy noise . Have tried and failed to get into it although l did manage to make some sense of "Free Jazz "by Ornette . Back to Hard Bop , Mainstream and Be Bop for me .

Great Dave!

As always, brilliantly spoken and articulated! One of our greatest musicians with an unparalleled sense of history and context. Remarkable that so much information and philosophy is contained within just 4-minutes! Bravo Dave! As always, you speak for us all. - Your old pal, Steve

I can remember a bunch of Ornette Coleman melodies just at the top of my head

I'm personally sick of the "freedom" that originated in 1960s in the USA. In the 1960s, there was a strange idea of "freedom" — in all walks of life – that actually ended up as the opposite of it. Art was so experimental and "free" it became meaningless; "artists" were packing own excrement and selling as "art". Music was played so "freely" it equated with noise, and that was "cool" and "liberating". "Seekers" were experimenting with new drugs that "set them free", by killing them in the long run. Western regimes were "freely" intervening in countless countries, demolishing them "in the name of freedom and democracy". When that became suspicious, they then invented false flag operations, because it was very profitable for the oil and the military sectors. So on.

Lennie Tristano was the first one to perform free jazz in public in 1948, so actually he was before Coleman,Taylor etc.

still love your work!!

I saw him in 1984 at George Jazz café in Arnhem Holland with guitarist John Scofield

I thought that I was finally going to be able to afford a nice night out after two years....jk! Absolutely informative an insightful!

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The best dissertation I have ever heard on free jazz .My elementary introduction to it was only through Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker with LIVE CREAM--especially Jack Bruce -so thank you very much for this. Great in a trio format. Reduced cacophony.

Lieb, Sam Newsome, and I played free jazz concert in honor of Steve Lacy at Michiko Rehearsal Studio's in NYC back in 2014. We played nonstop for an hour buttressed by the fantastic rhythm section bassist Matt Engle and drummer Mike Szekely. It was a great time.

Dave, Sam Newsome, and I played a tribute concert to Steve Lacy in NYC in 2014. We played free jazz for about an hour with drummer Mike Szekely and bassist Matt Engle. It was the height of my musical experiences so far.

Much respect to Mr. Liebman. The Free music is not about the elements of JAZZ, it is something else. A listener must apply their attention to the sound, there are not easy access points like melodies and harmonic motion. It is a strange sound that you either enjoy or not. I suggest anyone interested in investigating free music should listen to the German saxophonist Peter Brotzmann with his quartet Die like a Dog. The free music scene in the USA is huge : i suggest you hear Leo Smith early recordings. A fantastic contemporary ensemble that plays a mixture of composed and free music is trombonist Steve Swell's Soul Travellers. Try to hear the wonderful Dutch ensemble ICP Orchestra.

This is child's play...
If you want high iq, listen to Metal Machine Music and get back to me.

That was deep.

Lieb is the governor when it comes to post-Coltrane.

I feel once a musician can go free, they can take different approach towards conventional styles.

My god, what he said about the definition of Jazz becoming so diffuse that it's irrelevant now is absolutely true. We had the same thing happen with "Rock" and now it's happening with "Metal." I love Jazz and Metal and it's so frustrating now to see relatively mainstream Metal commentators say disparaging things about groups that do not fit their definition of what Metal is supposed to be. It's like Stanley Crouch getting his panties in a wad about Miles Davis moving into funk. As Miles himself responded to the criticism, it's music.

Yes! The problem with Free Jazz is it becomes so esoteric and selfish. Musicians
Playing for each other and not the Audience.
Let's say Old School understood the listener
Better and also knew jazz was played for a reason. This something the new school doesn't understand yet. They will, when
They realize thier proverbial tip jars are
Empty.

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Dave is spot on with his assessment of Free Jazz. The problem I hear is that free jazz is no longer new. It's been around since the 1950's and it's not getting any better. The other problem is that some music schools put so much emphasis on exploring free jazz, when there really isn't much of an audience for it. In this way, students become very well-versed in the free jazz idiom and then discover they can't get a gig that pays anything because no one except their fellow broke students (and a few "intellectuals") want to hear it. Those students would be better served by learning a solid repertoire of standard show tunes, jazz tunes and blues, as well as a healthy dose of dance tunes for every occasion. If everyone is an innovator, no one is an innovator.

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This is exactly the reason why I have a hard time listening to free jazz. More fun to play than listen to which doesn't appeal to the masses but it has it's place. I have always thought that people just got bored with playing the same tunes and following harmonic rules which led to free jazz. Personally not my cup of tea though. Makes me feel anxious and uncomfortable which is not what I look for in music. I like the expression of feelings but I want to hear it reeled in and have something to relate to at some point.

Very well put Dave!!

This was the original hardcore.

Watching this for my presentation on free jazz in school. It makes understand free jazz a lot easier

Liebman should be in a Martin Scorsese movie...

Dave is absolutely right.