The Story of Garrosh Hellscream - Full Version [Lore]

wtf man the WOD is so complicated I don't understand shit. You go into so much detail that im already so lost. So out of nowhere for no reason the dragon came teleported Garrosh to different dimension and different time, Garrosh then prevents to turn to fel orcs and they want to invade azeroth anyway so they do, but how come they invade the Original (PRIME) azeroth where thrall already is and garrosh was ? also shouldnt they use gul dan as power source for portal? then closing portal and throwing guldan to prime dimension so the legion can start? im so lost :D :D

Roflmao "shamans sensed thst there was something wrong with the elements themselves" as a giant wave approaches.

Sorry, just amused me

I miss having a strong faction leader. I am tired of all this "Horde is family crap" led by a gaggle of ineffective losers like Baine and Thrall who have no agency and are shown to be incompetent.

Krim'gar sounds and acts so much like Starscream?

Are we sure the writing team wasn’t replaced by doppelgängers right before Mists of Pandaria?

In the first ~20 min, Garrosh's motivations for many of his actions, and Thrall's praise of him confuses me. He experiences despair from thinking his father was a terrible leader. Then after realizing his father redeemed himself by destroying Mannoroth, he decides to make the same kind of war mongering mistakes Grommash made by proposing that the horde should just "take what they want" or by his prideful outbursts in front of King Varian.

He has less reasons to be war mongering, and overly prideful in his race than pretty much anyone. For example
1) He didn't drink the Fel blood that would make him blood thirsty
2) He originally showed shame for the decisions his father made, which means he realizes on some level that what his father did was wrong
3) He knows Thrall is part of the reason his father redeemed himself; thus, Thrall should be someone he respects
I'm sure there are more...

Also, why does Thrall give him praise by presenting him with GoreHowl at the end of the Northrend campaign? What did Garrosh do that was indicative of being a proper leader? From the video, it seems like Garrosh only further provoked tensions between the Horde and Alliance, and acted out of rage.

Unless Nobbel left out some key information regarding Garrosh's lore, his actions and Thrall's appreciation of him don't make sense to me.

Damn Garrosh must've been a genius to just memorize all the iron horde upgrades. Straight up trained in goblin engineering as Warchief i guess.

I love how our "real" old Warcraft actually had badass internal conflicts of honour for their characters. Modern Blizz absolutely hates anything that connects honour to being something of worth, as you can see in the mindset of their current employees - they tweet about hating white men, hating the "patriarchy", they hate everything that defined the old Warcraft. In their mind it is not acceptable to have a strong male dominated lore, because it doesn't fit their SJW(nowadays LGBTQ) mindset. They simply follow every trend, no matter how braindead. Back in the day we had ETC concerts because 50% of the playerbase actually listened to metal. Today you will be greeted by mindless Gen Z Zombies who just do what they are told to on social media.

How is Thrall Groms old friend when he is the son of Durotan and Grom and Durotan were roughly the same age

I really think they could have told a story where Garrosh ended up in his MoP version if they played it out over a longer time and gave better motives. I mean they did it with Arthas in WC3. Paladin Arthas from the first mission of the human campaign in RoC was nearly the opposite of DK Arthas at the end of TFT, but because they were able to show you his story unfold and give his motives, it felt natural. They could have done something similar with Garrosh. This is how I think it could have worked.

Each Cata patch should have had Garrosh become more frustrated and disenfranchised with how the world was working, to point he comes to the conclusion a new order is needed. A world where only the strong rise to the top, and the weak are only allowed to live by the good grace of the strong, which, fueled by immense pride, he would obviously believe this would be the Horde and more specifically the Orcs. He could also be greatly intrigued by Deathwing and wonder how he grew so powerful and find out besides just naturally being powerful, the Old God's role in things. Furthering his interest in the subject.

By the time MoP comes, Garrosh now has a clear vision for the world, and will do whatever it takes to achieve it (mirroring Arthas' desire to do whatever it takes). Going to Pandaria. Y'shaarj (or what's left of it) and it's followers find Garrosh's ideal world of constant conflict and such lines up nicely with their own desires and actively aid him, though not in a formal alliance sort of way, more of nudging things in his favor sort of way. This would satisfy both Garrosh doing everything of his own accord, but also satisfy the Old God meddling too and make sense. By this time the other Horde races would get sick of his shit since he has started multiple new conflicts and turn on him, forcing him to accept followers of Y'shaarj as allies much to his dismay. Remember, he doesn't like it, but he's at the point he will do whatever it takes to see his vision. Now he's a suitable as an end boss.

After that it could go any way really

Even to this day, the potential Garrosh had, to turn the Horde into a true powerhouse, was cut short. Albeit his crimes we cannot excuse neither in the depth of how many or the scale of how bad they were, he could have made the Horde, which is always going to be the bad guys, become a faction that actually mattered in the power scale, instead, we always lose or any victory the Horde canonically has, I legit cannot believe it given how OP the Alliance is with their downright powerhouse of troops.

everytime i watch it its BS thralls a cheating sob

Damn... the back and forth between him and thrall in the end. Makes me wonder what would have happened if thrall had stayed and guided hellscream.

I do really like the story of Garrosh, and I always remember the irritation I felt when he turned from a potentially great Warchief to a monster. Is it true that Thrall made a mistake in giving Garrosh too much power? Yes. He refused to see reason, and only appointed him because he wanted Garrosh to grow and mature under the adoration of his people, without seeing the potential downside of giving a child too much power. Garrosh had multiple moments to see his path turning dark, and even had moments where he contemplated the alternative to his eventual ending, only to scorn it and blast forward with all his might.

His utter denouncement of Vol'jin, his disrespect towards Cairne and Sylvanas, and the eventual murders he would commit. All of them provided insight to where his life was heading and all he could do was deny any consequence and surround himself with yes men. Eventually a point was reached and he simply didn't care about the consequences anymore. It was no longer a struggle of moral ideals, but a firm belief in his own views, anyone else's opinions be damned. Thrall did fail him, yes, but Garrosh failed himself. He didn't need an old god to corrupt him, he was already long gone, and he reveled in his own demons.

Garrosh had the potential to be great, but they chose to build a story of a person who became a monster through the ideals of "My way, or the highway." As much as I wanted him to be a great Warchief, I'm glad they chose to make him irredeemable.

Yes and no. I believe the Rules are set beforehand. The question that needs to be answered is if Garrosh agreed to allow Thrall access to his full abilities. If so it is Hellscreams own fault for not taking into account what could happen. Honestly is it cheating...maybe. did it looking fucking awesome. Absofuckinglutly!

for the hoooooored

The real war crime is Blizzard making a great character randomly turn into a shitty supervillain for a filler arc to buy a couple more years to milk the franchise before they ran out of established villains to farm for content.

Even though this video is over 2 years old now, and I'm fairly biased in the direction of believing Garrosh did nothing wrong, I still want to leave a comment with my thoughts on this.

First of all, Believing Garrosh did nothing wrong, and believing nothing he did was wrong are 2 completely different things, at least for me.

Was what Garrosh did wrong? Yes, unbelievably so, the forced impregnation still makes me nauseous, seeing as how my grandmother is a WW2 Survivor, it hits especially close to home with that particular piece of information, above all others.

BUT

Was Garrosh wrong? No, I don't believe so, not fully at least.

Garrosh was always hindered and prodded and pretty much beaten by the legacy of his family, among other things.

Before he met Thrall, he was so dejected and miserable, believing his father was the ultimate traitor of his people, that he was more then likely having suicidal tendencies I would wager.
He truly thought, to his very core, that nothing he could do would EVER make up for what happened, that it would be better for all of Draenor to forget the name Hellscream, lest misfortune land on their clan from uttering such a detestable name.

But when Thrall arrived, things took a turn, not really for the better.

After Thrall arrived and revealed the truth to Garrosh of his fathers sacrifice, and after arriving in Orgrimmar, he was influenced in ANOTHER way, arguably just as bad.

Here was Thrall, the leader of the new Horde, an orc that radiated power, according to the Mag'har in Outland, one who had not only fought for his people, but fought for peace, and carved a home for all of them in the lands of Kalimdor.

Being the grandson of Greatmother Geyah, who Garrosh, prior to Thralls arrival, seemed to have a bit of a grandson/son-esque infatuation with, he more then likely allowed that to influence his opinion of Thrall as well.

On top of that though, which makes it worse, is that now that Garrosh knew the truth, and the others in Orgrimmar also knew what Grommash had done, suddenly everything went topsy turvy for the young orc.

Here was a man that, for the majority of his life, had been told that his father had betrayed their people, had lead their warriors away, and had given their very SOULS, to the demons that now controlled them. Now here he was, brought to a new land, a harsh land, where most, not all, but most likely most, saw Garrosh, and expected so much from him.

He was put up on a proverbial pedestal honestly. Everyone expected from him so much, due to his fathers sacrifice, none more so then Thrall probably, and seeing this young orc, basically accompanying Thrall almost everywhere, many others also more then likely held him to the same standard as Thrall, expecting to some degree that Thrall was probably training Garrosh to be the next Warchief one day, which with Deathwing arriving, happened alot sooner then expected more then likely.

Garrosh was an, in all manner, a man....a boy really, in terms of mentality, that was constantly pressured in some way, whether it be good or bad, in no small part due to the actions of those around him.

Thrall had no business putting a young, and still inexperienced person like Thrall on the mantle of Warchief, sure, he probably honestly thought that the advisors would help lead Garrosh inthe right and proper direction, but that wasn't a good thing either, because at least some of them, probably expected Garrosh to more or less act like Thrall, which in turn means that they weren't really respecting him as his own person, just an extension of Thrall, a replacement really, which Garrosh likely noticed, due to not being a slow or dim-witted individual (like me lol).

in conclusion, what Garrosh did was wrong, and while he may have been wrong for what he did ultimately in the end, the actions, whether by him or others, contributed to all this, and helped shape the legacy of Hellscream.


P.S. Yes, Thrall, you are 100% at fault for what happened to Garrosh, you took him from his home, shoved him into the spotlight of a planet-wide, multi-cultural epicenter on another planet, and expected him to act in a certain way, without respecting him being his own person, all the while letting your memories and expectations OF Garrosh be influenced in no small part by Grommash.

Thrall cheated that Mak'gora change my mind.

I forgot he actually called Sylvanas a bitch. That was forshadowing for the shadowlands storyline, he was right before it was cool.

I can't with this fake accent

Garrosh is basically a Hitler of the wos universe.

However... considering what kind of people we have in this universe, that is a good thing.... my guy never trusted Sylvanas, if he hsd his way she would have never done what she did. He was the last true warchief.

Garrash could've been written better. He became everything he hated too linearly. I'm surprised they didn't say the old GOD's corrupted him. I mean, it's kind of the only way to tie the story together with such a linear change in his behavior. One day he's killing his officers for cowardly behavior, and the next day he's Mediev, dropping mana bombs? It just doesn't make sense.

Garrosh did nothing wrong, Thrall's a cheating bitchass, make the Horde great again.

how the uck is he that strong to blow up a bell with one single punch?!

It’s so nice coming back to your videos

I'm a year late, but your story telling is absolutely stellar. I love the way you pronounce the words provided in WoW lore.

and yet his stupidity brought him is own undoing

DISLIKE because you keep talking !!!!!!!!!!!!!

so they basically needed electrolytes

glad you got this when he called her a bitch....

no I don't think Thrall cheated in his duel with Garrosh...considering Garrosh before the Duel was doing things he early in his life he was against but obviously changed his mind..........Thrall was with in his rights to use his shaman powers.

What a great way to piss off Garrosh......by mentioning his father "your father dabbled in powers beyond Reckoning... where is he now."

The only thing Garrosh did wrong was to release the hearth on the pools of Pandaria, after that yeah, he deserved everything that followed

Naw Thrall didn't cheat. Orcs always had shamans. That ritual was made with their existence known. Therefore it shouldn't disclude magic. Had Garrosh been challenged by a pure spellcaster it wouldn't be considered cheating for him to use magic. Being a Hybrid class Thrall always had the ability. The thing is that the other Orc Warlords would have probably beat Thrall despite this. People often call Warriors weak, but the Orc Warchiefs during this era are the strongest warriors in the lore. Their power is superhuman in a lot of ways. The story didn't really take this into account, but they at least made most of them dungeon or raid bosses. They all should have been raid bosses, but a lot of that power was retconned as Mannoroth's curse. Originally Orcs were just that strong normally.

Cool to see my vid from years ago in a nobbel vid! <3

Never really looked at it but Grommosh hair is beautiful lol

LOL Your subtitles are killing me dude. Get that heart some milk.

Character always reminded me of Kanye

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Honestly, fck Garrosh. I can get his appeal, but I just think he's overrated.

Lmao these subs tho

That screenshot at the end from the guy that said Garrosh did nothing wrong predicted the downfall of Sylvanas.