Compare shapers vs. milling machines.

I have a friend who is selling an old Aamco shaper, are there any tasks other that keyslots in which these excel over a mill?

Is a shaper more cheaper and easier way to make flat and parallel surfaces than compared to face mill doing the same task? Can this be used to shape flat for scrap granite surfaces?

Enjoyed your experiment with carbide! Fun video.

Well done. I was always curious how the carbide would handle the impact of the interrupted cutting on a shaper.

All the best:
Dan

My God, that's a beautiful shaper! Wow.

Really interesting content. Your videos are always so informative while being entertaining at the same time and all in a second language. Amazing.

maybe an idea would be a torsion spring at the back of the tool holder rubbing onto the material to lift it on the back stroke

Have been enjoying your Videos since being recommended by Mr Factotum. It’s so nice to see a shaper in action, it’s quite rare now. I continue to look forward to future episodes in 2022. Thank you. 🎄

Merry Christmas Rusti. Stay safe, happy but most of all stay well. A.

Very interesting, great idea with the leather even if it does not work out
Its good to see you looking so well once again
Merry xmas to you and your family

Coz of your insert wasn't have a suitable geometry. Try to using TPGX or TPGH insert has no chip breaker. Just clean knive

Good video. Do you only have a shaper?

Great exercise Michel. Merry Xmas, see you in the New year.

Just an idea would the geometry of the Insert holder be wrong for that type of cut?

Rusti, as you say time is not such a factor for the hobby machinist. I have a shaper and I have no plan to buy a mill at the moment. If I did it would probably be a benchtop CNC mill. For me there are many advantages to a shaper - it can be quite compact, tools are cheap, it cuts keyways, and it is relaxing and nice to watch. With a bit of imagination it can be adapted for other tasks. Cheers

Beautiful machine. In it's day, shapers were a perfect solution to a machining need. Good to see these machines still in use and not scraped.
Good video

Very informative! Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge.

great video... loved it

Could Not argue much about setting up times on either machine.

Run Times ??
Could be a Totally different story 🤔
Not much that can be made on a Decent Bridgeport Style machine.
Where as a Shaper can be very limited in it's operations, when comparing to a Mill.

Possibly only my thoughts of course ??

Still a good video to share 👍

My favorite for old manual machines is M42 cobalt high spped tool steel,( American designation ) cuts beautifully, and is virtually indestructible at lower speeds
best regards and happy holidays !

having a good time in the workshop,,, never a truer word spoken!

Hi Michel ☺ season's greetings from Yorkshire, thanks for another interesting video, enjoying our time in our workshop is the main thing, we win some and we loose some, but it's all interesting. Here's Whishing you and your's all the best for Christmas, and a happy new year, ,Stuart Uk.

Ik heb de kleine Ai Hembrug schaafbankje gekocht, ik denk het zelfde formaar

Hello Michel,
I did find the video interesting... I think as always you think outside of the box, actually I think you've thrown the box away...
Take care.
Paul,,

Found very informative and interesting...Course I am a long way from have our Klopp up and operating, but what about trying a round insert?? The Klopp does have an advantage that is has the clapp auto lift, but the leather,,yes good idea :)> ! The tare down of our Klopp has been slow,,waiting on an assemble / shop manual, and the Holiday mail service is slower than ever,,,Great and a safe Holiday's to you and all,,Bear.

Being a guy that did that all (well most) on the lathe for the longest time, I feel your pain 😅.
That being said, whatever that part is for, it looks good! 😊 Thanks for sharing, Michel!
Cheers!

Enjoyed…happy holidays

Good luck drilling the holes on the shaper.

Hi Michel,
Great video as always !
I wonder if an insert that is designed for a face mill might work better ?
At least the shaper doesn't look like an overgrown drill press 🤣
To me there is something mesmerising about them , it is a bit like watching a beam engine run as there are all sorts of mechanisms moving or spinning -almost as if it were alive !

Having a good time in the workshop - says it all right there. I don't care what I am making or building, as long as I am having fun doing it.

OK, now compare cutting an internal key way in the mill and the shaper!

I have both V mill , H mill and a Shaper, both the H mill & Shaper are Atlas. My Shaper is the go to for serface work. HHS stays sharper longer and much easer to tharpen, clean up of large chips is easer, the serface finish is better. The clean up for the Vmill with thoes tiny ants swords Thats a real pan in the ass, end mills dull fast and one needs a mill end shapeaner. Lately I have been using my Vmill for a drill press.Set up time seems to be in faver of the Shaper

Hi Mr. T. Do you think you will ever buy a milling machine ? I find I use both the shaper & mill on the same job ! is it just me but when I have got a job to do the vice always needs turning 90 degrees. Being hobbyists its good to experiment with different cutting tools, thats how we learn. Just bought some brazing flux, gonna try a go at putting some carbide on some chisels I have made for wood turning. Finally what music do you listen to on your hi-fi. Del.

I had an idea about the carbide. We all know carbide is sensitive to shock loading, and interrupted cuts. What if there was a way to remove some of the tool pressure on the carbide? Perhaps set up a brazed on piece to mimic the way a hss cutter is ground for finishing passes?

Michael thank you for a wonderful year from the Cullen Family .
Merry Christmas and happy New year.
C J Cullen

hello from spain rustinox...the milling machine is the Queen of de garaje,,the shaper is a good complement,,

Carbide in the shaper is a waste of time I think, They were invented before carbide and retired before carbide. It was not a cutting tool they were ever intended to be used for. It would be frightening to see a shaper moving fast enough to use carbide (100-200m/min). Re setup time, my milling table is large enough that my vise is almost never removed. I can use the table either side for alternate setups. It's just not a fair or relevant comparison. Use the tools you have to make what you want and have fun doing so. If time was really important to you, you wouldn't own a shaper LOL.

Great video Michel, Carbide is nearly always negative rake, and requires high surface speed, and high forces, compared to HSS, where positive rake is normal, with low surface speed, and reduced forces. Thanks for sharing.

Very interesting experiments. In the small hobbyist workshop HSS has a place, and it really ought to be in preference to carbide. Less brittle, easier to resharpen and much cheaper in the long run. Thank you for another great episode. 👏👏👍😀

Never a dull moment watching your videos "Go for it"😉

I'm finding the trick to good surface finish on my old shaper is a razor sharp edge. The cheap insert tooling I have doesn't have an edge like that. I've not tried to sharpen them to an edge like that, can it be done?

The "boring thing that makes holes" for the mill is actually just called a "boring head." :)

Always interesting Rusti 👍 I have often wondered why nobody has come up with a device/jig/attachment/thingy to hold the cutter up on the return stroke, surely it must be possible?

Mele Kalikimaka from Hawaii. I always enjoyed the challenge of the setup once setup anyone can stand by and watch the machine operate and stop it in case of problems. Nice thought I worked for many years with HSS only and still like to be able to make a custom tool bit for my application.

Hi Michel, interesting comparison between mill and shaper. Carbide on a shaper is not a good plan, the whole benefit of a shaper is the reduced tooling cost, the minute you use carbide you lose this. Also, as you correctly point out, you just can't achieve the surface speed (although I reckon EYUP Tony had a good go on his video last night 😂😂😂). Fantastic slow motion footage, I could watch that all day long! Cheers, Jon

A couple thoughts, Michel. Whenever you are going to shoot something that is time reliant/dependant try to get a clock into the shot... or turn the timestamp feature on in your camera... Also, I think your carbide insert experiment bears repeating. Go to your local shoe repair guy and ask for an off-cut of 1/4" thick VegTan Sole leather, way more wear resistant, and maybe thick enough that it doesn't need to go all the way under the cutting edge... Also, most cobblers are "tool guys", so if you explain what you want to do with it they will likely give it to you free, and want your Channel Name so they can see what you did with it... Bonus feature.. New subscriber!!! ;)