PROOF That The Timeline Is WRONG? - Gossip Bytes!

People really would rather say its a full retcon or say that the games aren't canon rather than just accepting refounding

I'm not saying you should fanboy but all I'm seeing in these comments are people ragging on the story and lore. Totally missing out on the good stuff.

This game is genuinely phenomenal, probably the best zelda game ever made. Likely so in fact.

But if you're just going to ignore the gameplay and judge it on a surface level based on the main story alone and not the genuinely good lore that's in there then you're missing out

While Hyrule Historia and Encyclopedia both have inaccuracies, they don't pull evidence from thin air, and often times its an issue of the writers misunderstanding of the source material. It is largely evidence based, which is why despite not taking their word as sacrosanct, I believe the majority of concepts they present are a great basis.
That being said, I don't believe I need to defend either at all to place blame purely on the be duology of games. Even if we remove the concept that the Forgotten Temple is the Sealing Grounds, the logic around the Forgotten Temples existence does not make sense, and that is because BOTW and TOTK lack coherency between even each other. For the Temple to have existed WITHOUT this Goddess Statue, even if we ignore that its supposed to be the original, is preposterous, because Either the statue would have had to been built in the Temple, or the Temple built around it. Despite its old age, there are know signs of patchwork or mortar that would imply it was constructed in many pieces, therefore its chiseled out of solid rock. So what, did the pre-technically advanced Hylian/Sheikah teleport the thing in there? And for what purpose, to intentionally remove ANY Zonai connection whatsoever? If so then why do so many other Zonai sites surive? and Why is there a map of the Tear locations made retroactively, were the tears intentional to Zelda's plan, was she like "Okay guys, I'm going to put my memories in tear drops so Link can puzzle his way into finding out I'm the Light Dragon and I have the Master Sword, make sure you carve a handy map for him and not explain anything else on said map."
Its yet another example of how in TOTK, rather than further expand on the concepts presented in the first game, they just completely recontextualized everything. Its obvious that it WAS intended to be a reference to the Sealed Grounds in BOTW, but nothing more, and TOTK solidifies that fact by forgetting it entirely.

I believe Breath & Tears are apart of the official timeline. Most like at the very end where all 3 timelines converge(A Timeline Convergence if you will). And when Rauru says that he and Sonia founded Hyrule. He adds "Last time I checked" hinting at the possibility that while Rauru is telling the truth from his perspective. He and the Zonai are most likely completely unaware of the tens(possibly hundreds of thousands) years Hyrule has existed. Hyrule has fallen and risen many times so I believe that in the current Era(The Wild Era) This is a refounding of Hyrule. Breath & Tears are so FAR into the future that all the events of previous games are lost entirely. So to sum it up I believe this is equivalent to our modern age where lots of history is lost to time and Hyrule is starting again anew. Just as it always has and will always continue to do long into the future.

Honestly I think a bigger question than timeline placement is how Hyrule has somehow remained basically medieval (aside from the occasional blip in technology from time to time) for assumedly at least 20-30,000 years and consider modern civilisation in our world started only 6,000 years ago that's insane.

Ive heard a theory (i think it was from monster maze but don't quote me) that the statues have the ability to move to some extent. When you first see the big goddess statue, it's fallen over and when you complete the quest from it it's then standing upright. Not to mention if i recall correctly, you cant access behind the statue in breath of the wild, meaning it had to move forward to reveal the door in totk (i could be totally wrong tho.) There's some magic in play here to do so. There's also the horned statue that gets moved around, the odd bargainer statue above ground in the great plateau, the small goddess statue on the dragonhead isle, and while linked they aren't the same "person" within each statue, tho going off the bargainer statue, whoever is in it can use the goddess statue to talk to.

Plus like in SS the goddess statue does descend.

Im not sure about the master sword, but couldnt the goddess statue have moved itself?

I'm of the opinion that BOTW & TOTK occur in a world that is parallel to the main timelines. It's not perfect, but running with Hyrule Warriors being canon sort of helps. Personally, I think the timeline shenanigans of that game would've had a form of bleeding effect to this parallel world - which would explain the references to characters from other games and the existence of specific races within Hyrule. Thus, the kingdom of Hyrule that is founded can be considered the first and the existence of the Master Sword can be explained if it was part of the aforementioned "bleeding effect." Not a perfect theory, but my own personal headcanon.

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The teple of time that Raurubsaid the he built COULD be the temple of time on the great sky island in totk

I like to think it comes after the wind waker flood, zora could a have survived somewhere, and other thing like objects such as the mirror of twilight don't have to come from other timelines. Fresh land to "start" the kingdom of hyrule, and pontential for "Newrule" maybe where Sydon's bride came from. But the question is... where is the triforce of power? (I haven't finished totk yet...)

Every time SS Link went through the time gate he accidentally spawned a new timeline. That should give Nintendo enough branches to last awhile. If those run out then every time OoT link went back in time by returning the Master Sword can be used.

Either that or just give up on continuity entirely.

Proof that. You don't need to know everything 😂 and just enjoy the ride.

I may be wrong, but isn’t that because the defeated demise in the past, the goddess statue in the sky never returned to the sealed grounds?

what if bdg was right

About the master sword, it's only in the English dub that Rauru seems not to know about it, since he says to Zelda "we rely on your knight, and THAT legendary sword HE carries".
In both japanese and french (language I played the game in) Rauru calls the master sword by name, indicating the he knows about it. A translation word for word would go like : "if we fail to defeat Ganondorf, there will still be your knight, the young man who wield the purifying blade", "purifying blade" being the name of the master sword (equivalent to "blade of evil's bane").😊

The Forgotten Temple isn't confirmed to be the Sealed Temple right? It's just a similar appearance? Here's what Im thinking, and let me know if it sounds dumb:

Obviously I'm all about the "TotK (PAST) takes place after everything still" theory. So imagine this: Hyrule is full of tribes/ no monarchy (after an age of decline). The Hylians may still know of Hylia but following the timeline her importance has dropped significantly (why theres no Mother statues after SS, before BotW/TotK). They also may have turned to a more animalistic religion (boar, owl, dragon, if that idea wasn't also introduced by the Zonai). The Zonai show up, related to the gods somehow, and the peoples of Hyrule look up to them as gods or demi-gods whatever. Forgotten temple is built and its aesthetic is similar to the Sealed Temple because, if the Zonai ARE related to the gods that may be why they have a similar design. Rauru and Mineru die, and the Hylians have no one to look up to so they turn back to Hylia (the knowledge of her could be lesser known or reintroduced by the Zonai) and so mother statues are (re)built in her honor, explaining why the statues are back at the end of the timeline.

Also love the Gossip Bytes idea!

The timeline only makes sense if Rauru's time truly comes before Skyward Sword, before the Master Sword or the Champion existed at all.

Genuinely I think it's wild that people expect buildings and locations to be a 1:1 to much older games rather than just accepting that they've retconned some of the locations. The Zonai Constructs are just the Ancient robots that were already in Skyward Sword, in the style of TOTK because it's a whole different game. Skyward Sword literally says there was an ENTIRE CIVILIZATION on Hyrule before the Demon King attacked. It had high-level tech, robot people, lots of mining carts and a species that lived underground.

Plus, Skyward Sword and BOTW/TOTK share writers. Why wouldn't they connect? 😅

I think its likely that its just a reference. I know thats a boring answer, but the temple of time on the Great Plateau cannot be the same one from OoT, because Raurus Temple of Time came before it. The Ranch Ruins can't be Lon Lon Ranch from OoT because, well, the wood just wouldn't last that long. I think its just another case of it being a reference for old fans to be like "hey i know what that is" but not actually being that thing

OK I’m thinking that in skyward sword the chamber that’s supposed to be underneath The mother goddess statue has like somehow lowered to appear nonexistent in breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom along with Skykeep still being there but just completely blocked off due to it being underground obviously but who knows maybe sometime in the future ahead of of breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom it might be rediscovered Because there’s obviously gotta be some sort of mechanism that raises and lowers the mother goddess statue to reveal or hide away the chamber inside of it similar to the mechanism behind the once four now three sacred Springs Earth sky water and the fourth one I keep forgetting as I’m really thinking that the Earth spring of Eldin which was completely underground ended up being fully buried and hidden away or completely destroyed even though that mechanism behind the springs was only used in breath of the wild not to mention the sealed temple if it really did become the forgotten temple would’ve been added to with the extra construction to be preserved as much as it possibly can and it also could be possible that the four pillars in front of the forgotten temple are the same four that are on either side of the sealed temple and to be honest my mind has been going on with some Zelda theories of my own they go along with or basically I’ve been inspired or agreed with other peoples theories like for an example I once theorized that the mountain that became to dueling peaks once held a massive lake behind it a giant mega lake and now I’m starting to rethink that theory but it is surprising that I will did in fact once have a big lake just not behind the mountain that became dueling peaks but rather in the middle of Hyrule field so I was apparently close with that theory

(sorry if my typing on this is not very good I’m just really not good with it so I tend to use voicemail and recently I’ve been using AI to help better at typing when it comes to me making posts)

If nintendo would just confirm its, its own timeline that would probably fix most of the bad writing in totk

Imagine a game comes out where a villain does something catastrophic that is breaking apart reality and all timelines converge, leading to different links at the end of their respective timelines to work together in some way. Maybe trying to unite the triforce power in every sense, so there cannonly be one. In the aftermath of the game, all these timelines converge completelly to create a new single timeline. I get chills

If it was far after Ocarina of time, then Lon Lon ranch wouldn't still be standing either.

The real answer is that the devs dont actually care about the continuity and the sealed temple is there for nostalgia's sake only

Fallen timeline. A Link to the Past master sword was on the woods.

I've basically been saying since TotK came out (and a bit before it), that BotW cannot be part of the base timeline. There are too many inconsistencies for it to be. TotK took it a step further and walked back some of the connections that BotW was making, and even offers alternate explanations.

My video coming out in a day or two is going into a lot of detail about it. I'm happy to see you drawing similar conclusions to what I've stated, perhaps others in the community will give you more credibility than they have me with such statements.

Real quick about the Forgotten Temple. I've checked the layout of it and the Sealed Temple and it doesn't match up. I'll double check since I spent a good portion of today (Dec 9th) creating a very clean map of the completed Sealed Temple after the statue fell to the surface.

I'm taking a page from Gandalf here and saying that every good story deserves embellishment. They're all the Legends of Zelda, and we're experiencing them as they are told... not as they happened.

Stop desinformate the people! Totk is not a sequel of Botw! It is alternative timeline as well

Personally, I dont think this is the sealed temple or that temple of time. It might be the structure from inside the thunderhead like someone suggested further down, or it is an entirely "new" structure buildt by the Zonai. If Botw and Totk are in the timeline at the far end, then it is likely that the sealed temple or many of the structures from that time does not exist anymore. The sealed temple predates even totk-hyrule castle, and Skyward Sword is at the very beginning of the timeline likely tens of thousands of years before Rauru and Sonia founded Hyrule. But still, not an impossible theory

Part of me feels like there is a continuous story from skyward sword to botw and totk. But only connecting those three games. Because totk conflicts too much with the others

Hyrule Warriors - Botw - TOTK

I feel like the zelda team doesnt even take their own lore serious enough like why does ganondorf have round ears and when were the skyiles created (is it the homelamd of the zonai (or is it farosh) or were rhey created for link)

Something I’ve noticed is that the creation myth is entirely different between the original timelines and breath of the wild/tears of the kingdom.

If there is continuity between these worlds, then I would imagine someone wished for a New World to be made from the old. Hylia remade the world and so the original creation trio fell out of memory.

(The truth is we understand that Nintendo does not actually care about the timeline, and instead the series a retelling of a common mythology. )

Anyone say skyward sword takes place BEFORE Sonia and Rauru’s kingdom?

Sorry SS, but… actually I think all three would in that case belong to another timeline. Otherwise, where Hylia in every other game?

As much as I enjoyed TOTK it really screwed up the lore and timeline. So many things could still be explained in BOTW but in TOTK everything changed

I think at this point considering anything in Hyrule Historia, though is a very neat book to own, to be canon is immature. That, or we should all take everything it says with a LOT of salt. Not just a grain. Like a whole ass mountain. Especially when discussing events that happen off screen that don't come from quotes from the creative team.

There's no reason why Hyrule Historia's word needs to be taken as gospel — "the Temple of Time was built over the ruins of the Sealed Temple" is filler that was written to give the most minimal explanation possible for how the Master Sword shows up in a new building. It's a perfect candidate for invoking the disclaimer at the start of HH: "These are the ideas believed at the time by historians trying to link the games together"

Never liked HH's explanation because it woked under this assumption that the Master Sword can't move at all under any circumstance, which obviously isn't true. The easy answer is that the Master Sword was removed from its SS pedestal and placed into the Pedestal of Time, wherever that was built, for the purpose of sealing the Triforce away until the prophecy of the Hero of Time was fulfilled.

And anyways, despite the implications, I'm not even confident that the Forgotten Temple even is the Sealed Temple and not just a large temple with similar architecture on a different part of the map.

So yeah, every single detail about this "contradiction" means nothing to me. Still believe in ToK depicting the True Founding, so I'd say this temple was built in the era of Hylia, appropriated by the creators of the secret stones, used by King Rauru, and became the home of the Mother Goddess statue after the Imprisoning War.

What the fuck. The Forgotten Temple is not the Sealed Temple. Your theory is flawed from the outset. The Statue of the Goddess isnt even a part of thr original Forgotten Temple, its wedged into a hole its not supposed to be in.

A complete new timeline would be more reasonable then just converging all timelines without any clear explaination. And because TotK has it's own time travel shenaningans, it's not impossible either. The imprisoning war originally took place in the timeline of the first zelda titles for NES and SNES, so maybe there was another split (which doesn't explain most inconsistencies, but still)

The Forgotten Temple was never intended to be the Sealed Temple or any other previous Temple seen in the series thus far. It was originally intended to be a "hall of heroes", one that remembered past ones. This idea was scrapped, leaving us with the mystery. This information is found in "Creating A Champion".

I got a feeling that Nintendo will just multiverse the whole franchise and drop the timelines.

So far, from what I've found, is that it appears that BotW/TotK belong in the same continuity as SS, but not OoT. Nearly every reference to OoT ends up being an Easter egg, like how the Lon Lon Ranch Ruins is identical to Lon Lon Ranch in OoT, even though that would be impossible in all three timeline branches. Likewise, the Temple of Time on the Great Plateau clearly is a callback to the Temple of Time in OoT, while not being the same building. Even the surrounding ruins are similar to Castle Town in OoT, but again, these appear to be callbacks and nothing more. Another way these games call back to OoT is in the use of names. We have new Ganondorf with a new Koume and Kotake, as well as a new Rauru. That means that the geographical locations named after Koume, Kotake, and Rauru can be explained away as referenced to the characters from TotK and not the versions from OoT. It's likely that the Ancient Sages we see in the memories are named Ruto, Nabooru, Darunia, and Medori (Japanese name for Medli), based off of how the Divine Beasts are based off of their masks. So any references to these characters, such as in the Zora stone monument, are likely referencing the TotK versions of these characters as well, and not their OoT versions. The fact that we have a new Imprisoning War, that is not the same as the one in the ALttP prologue, indicates that even seemingly obvious references to events in the timeline may not be so.

I personally feel more like the forgotten temple is the isle of songs from SS. I know it doesnt make much sense but it is the second largest goddess statue in SS and its possible Hylians turned the isle of songs into the forgotten temple

My perspective on the Zelda timeline:

* Canon Timeline *
- Skyward Sword
- Ocarina of Time
- Majora’s Mask
- Twilight Princess
(- Era of Smash Ultimate Princess Zelda living life at the fullest!)

Note: You noticed I didn’t include Minish Cap. Well, I see it as half canon/noncanon because of all Zeldas, Minish Cap garners the least amount of attention in references. No Zelda since seems to have brought it back up. And the last note there after Twilight Princess, just fan fic I have of a post-Twilight era Hyrule and the world beyond it. I hang around with some Zelda mains in Smash Ultimate, and we always make over-exaggerated stories of Smash Zelda and her Smashing routines. Hehe…

* Expanded Timeline *
- Ocarina of Time (Adult)
- The Wind Waker
- Phantom Hourglass
- Spirit Tracks

Note: This expanded timeline is basically the branching reality of the Adult side of Ocarina of Time when Ganondorf was defeated and sealed away. Logically speaking, this timeline wouldn’t exist because the Hero of Time completely reversed it when Zelda sent him back to the past to regain his lost childhood. But this expanded timeline is by perspective as what would happen if this course of reality continued regardless of the Hero of Time’s actions in the past.

* What-if Timeline *
- Minish Cap (Link is too late to stop Vaati in final bell chime; Vaati is sealed, not destroyed…)
- Four Swords
- Four Swords Adventures
- A Link to the Past (A Link Between Worlds… I guess…)
- Oracle of Seasons/Ages
- Link’s Awakening
- The Legend of Zelda
- Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

Note: What if Vaati succeeded in draining ALL of the Light Force from Zelda? Now THIS is an entire what-if scenario. Four Swords Adventures is supposedly THE sequel to Four Swords. Ganon makes his appearance as the blue boar-like demon. I put A Link Between Worlds alongside A Link to the Past because it’s a retelling of that game as opposed to being another sequel (albeit more kidified). I didn’t include Tri-Force Heroes because it has no reason at all to be canon to the series and should’ve been its own thing. Yes, after the Oracle titles, Link “dies” at sea after the events of Link’s Awakening… Don’t deny it, Nintendo.

Overall note: It’s a loose representation of the Zelda timeline made by Lorulean Historian, but I sorted out the entries due to the inconsistencies made by the Era of the Wild Zelda titles. And Speaking of…

* Reimagined Timeline *
- Tears of the Kingdom (Past)
- First Great Calamity (10,000 years ago)
- Breath of the Wild (Past)
- Breath of the Wild (Present)
- Tears of the Kingdom (Present)

Note: NO CONNECTIONS to past Zeldas. It’s a reimagining. Nintendo wanted to “start over”. But now you have these timeline theorists who believe in Fujibayashi’s out-of-context statement that time “reset” itself somehow with absolutely no memory of the past at all… The truth is, and in the words of Ratatoskr, “Nintendo never took ANY past Zelda title into consideration, and they never cared.” So unless you’re that attached to this era, why care at all? :l

The statue was being repaired at the time of the cutscene lol

Despite what people say, I do think the statue in the temple is the SS goddess statue- it’s clear to me based on the white sword of the sky quest (regardless of its canonicity) that the devs want us to interpret this statue as the goddess statue from SS. What is in dispute however is it’s location. Keep in mind- the temple of time itself was built over the sealed temple, not necessarily the sealed grounds as a whole. Based on this, here’s what I suspect happened. There’s 2 options- either pre Minish Cap post SS, or the refounding.

For Pre Minish Cap, I suspect that the sealed grounds were made into what we know as the Great Plateau- the great plateau went on to become Rauru’s castle. The statue of Hylia was moved, possibly to somewhere above the Forgotten temple. This temple was located above the secret Zonai chamber- meant to deliberately hide the secret stones.
Following the Imprisoning War, Ganondorf is sealed beneath the first Hyrule castle, which was maintained up until the interloper war/sealing of the sacred realm.

This is gonna get speculative- But I suspect the interlopers were either themselves Zonai, or made use of Zonai technology to orchestrate the event we know to be the interloper war. This explains the cultural similarities between the two.
The interlopers somehow knew about the triforce- strange, since Impa had instructed Link and Zelda to hide it. Unless the interlopers were somehow related to the zonai people- we know the Zonai had some kind of reverence for the triforce, probably causing them to seek it out. These interlopers were banished, and the Hylian Rauru constructed the sealed temple using the Master Sword as a lock- sealing himself and the sages at the time in the Sacred realm for prolonged life and because the legends spoke of the hero of time (aka Sheikah precognition).

Following the interloper war, the Kingdom of Hyrule abandoned the kingdom of “greater hyrule” (as we see it in totk/botw- there’s a great video examining the maps of Hyrule, I forgot who it’s by but it’s called “I solved the Map of every Zelda game” and deduced that Minish Cap likely takes place in Akkala- as do most of the Downfall games) to hide the Sacred Realm- until the King of Hyrule in Ocarina started the Civil War by moving his kingdom back to Greater Hyrule. I suspect the castle we see destroyed in Ocarina is in fact not the same one as botw- I think this castle was located where the great plateau is now, where a cultural centerpiece of Hyrule (Oot Rauru’s temple of time) was located.

Centuries pass- regardless of timeline placement, the Sheikah of the era of wilds find the Old Hyrule/Ganondorfs seal, and build botw’s Hyrule castle on top of it after deducing the events of the imprisoning war based on their record, creating the castle to hold the seal on Ganondorf below- First Great Calamity happens, etc.

During this time, Hylia’s statue/temple sinks into the ground due to earthquakes, making the temple “forgotten”- it slides in front of the secret stone chamber.

If this is a refounding- basically similar deal, only the Zonai showed up, and the people of Hyrule used the Goddess statue to hide the Secret Stone chamber.

You know that one tree you timetravelled for in Skyward? It's still there in the Forgotten Temple!
Soni think that if Hyrule Warriors was canon, it would work. The timelines there act like intersecting dimensions, overlapping with certain locations taking over.

My personal theory is that the forgotten temple is the light temple because we see temples for all secret stones accept for the secret stone of light

What I think is that the timelines are more like references than rules. They're fun nods to previous places and names but not really the same place.

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