China: Socialism or Capitalism?

Here’s to an anarchist society for China and the rest of the world.

part right, but they are getting into their path again

china is state capitalistic! or social market oriented

What a bunch of lies!

Against revisionist Dengism!! Great video!

As the Brazilian revolutionary communist Luiz Carlos Prestes said: the intellectual's problem is to idealize socialism, and as this socialism does not match real socialism, he then fights real socialism.
It is important to remember that the socialist revolution does not make the contradictions of capitalism disappear overnight.

A new Chinese revolution in the future may be able to bring down international capitalism altogether. Glory to those who march forward!

Krushchev was responsible for Sino Soviet split. If only that bastard never came to become President of USSR, the whole world be better now.

打倒中特修正主义！毛泽东思想万岁!

You want a job?you have a job, you dont have a job?BAM SIBERIA

Προφανώς και δεν είναι κομμουνιστική η Κίνα ούτε κοινωνικοποίηση των μέσων παραγωγής έχει ούτε η εργατική τάξη είναι στην εξουσία ούτε αποδέχεται στην πράξη τον Μαρξ Ένγκελς Λένιν άρα μόνο τα σύμβολα κράτησε

This is just another white left persepctive on china with the same bogus" criticisms". Please do real research instead of making broad assumptions about all chinese factories and workers conditions. I did not hear a single fact about china just ur opinions

China is a capitalist imperialist country!

I disagree even though China has some reactionary trends in the country it is still socialist!! I grow sick and sicker hearing people who are supposed to Marxist claim that China is not socialist!! I left two parties because of the same reactionaries!! And I will stop supporting and listening to this channel if it continues!! Such nonsense!!

Revisionism destroyed the world communism. Down with revisionism. Long live Marxism-Leninism

Nazism is an interpertation of socialism. But not social at all and NOT democratic. Tyrannical CCP China are undemocratic capitalists. Both capitalim and socialism can be democratic and undemocratic

打倒走资派！

The debt argument has been quite thoroughly debunked. I think your view of China is quite narrow. Instead we should try to see it as a country which is building socialism under siege of a capitalist hegemony. Their goal with opening up was to develop their industry to a high tech standard, which was impossible to do in isolation of the USSR and world capitalist markets.
Now they are trying to revert some of the consequences opening up had and try to distribute more wealth equally, slowly getting rid of the capitalist class in their country.
That is how it seems to me at this time.
Would be interested to see what other people think, but it is certainly not as bad as you make it sound in the video. China is still a progressive country and has massive industrial capacity and is using this to develop less developed countries. We will see if this works out or not.

As a learning Marxist, I am really glad you make these videos, and they're amazingly well done. All power to the soviets!

Is this a trotskyist viewpoint or something?

As my comment was deleted, I shall now unsubscribe.

As someone from the Philippines, it hurts me deeply that people call China as socialist or communist. They are not. Their soldiers kick out our poor fishermen out of the own sea which the country rightfully possess. They seek total dominance of West Philippine Sea claiming it to be as South China Sea. They practice imperialism. There are sadly many ignorant leftists out here

Just read The Governance of China to learn all about how the CPC is using capitalism to drive socialism, and what their goals are for 2025 and 2050. It's all laid out in explicit detail by Xi Jinping himself. There is no need to speculate.

Could you not consider it acquiring the productive forces, seizing capital for the means of the population?

After the Thermidor coup, the revolutionary achievements of the Jacobins were stolen,
China's Thermidor is the same logic

We all know that in socialist countries centrists will eventually turn into Revisionism who support the capitalist road

As a Chinese I don't agree with the views in the video.It's too one-sided.

Chinese here, the current government is show no socialist characteristics whatsoever. It is bureaucratic capitalism. The workers are no longer the leading class in Chinese society ever since the “reform and opening up” revisionist line which brought capitalist restoration in China. As of now, the Chinese proletariats are suffering under very bad conditions, many of them having to work long hours without decent wage. Capitalism as been restored in China, we communist need to adopt to the new reality that there are no longer any leading socialist country in the world.

Poor people! China is not socialist! And when they use the hammer and sickle dishonored the socialism and the comunism!

I'm a little confused because much of this is out of date and was out of date when this was made. A lot of it is true but a lot isn't or when in is so much is omitted to make it untrue. Especially the bits about foriegn loans. If you think Xi jianping is pro capitalism then I don't know what to tell you.

Holy shit you know nothing about socialism XD

The only difference between Chinese "socialism with characteristics" and Western capitalism is that western officials are representatives of the chaebol. Chinese officials are the chaebol. I believe the richest person in the world will not be Musk when some Chinese's wealth is disclosed……lol😂

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What would happen if America caused a blackout to the camera system?

Glad this is made. The labor movement in China is too often overlooked. I am glad Russian leftists are smarter than some western leftists.

Some of the comments from Dengists are hilarious, while some are just sad. A lot of them are clearly very young, so hopefully they'll grow out of it soon enough.

China is a semi-colonial country although the period of the founding of the republic of china in 1949 various advocacy policies such as: two-stage revolution, bourgeois class alliance, democratic nationalism then socialism and bonarpatism.

China is not a socialist country with a proletarian dictatorship. but rather a democratic republican state which allows the bourgeois and petty bourgeois parties to be democratic in the long run.

China is a country with people's democracy dictatorship / New Democracy (class collaboration)
talking about socialism with the dictatorship of the proletariat in China is in fact absurd.

I am not surprised if China is the type of semi-colonial country that is widely advertised by Marxism without critical thinking, analysis or just wanting to follow suit.

Thinking of China as a socialist country despite the fact that it is not. The form of state capitalism in China is actually called a joint state-private enterprise. That is the main way in which the transformation of capitalist industry and commerce into a socialist enterprise is being carried out.
A joint state-private enterprise, in which the state invests and which assigns personnel to share management with the capitalists.

China is the absurd semi-colonial type country, takes the reformist path of abandoning a failed two-stage revolution (Adventuriousm)

seems weird not to mention the billionaires per capita. almost like it was made to persuade or mislead.

Since Pandemic began in China, its economy has been expanding for the whole world. Especially here in Chile, where there's copper, and litium, so China's people are focused on the country's wealth, where they want to install much more its economy.

Vijay Prishad is right in saying that the question of "whether China is Socialist or Capitalist" is an inherently non-dialectical one and not really worthy of marxist analysis. Any marxist worth their salt would know there are competing tendencies within it and to short sell that reality is a pretty major shortcoming.

By 2022 this is pretty out of date. We're shown images of Chinese tech billionaires we are supposed to equate with evil whom the government has long since clamped down on and the reproach of Deng's unleashed market economics has become the major thrust of recent policy. There's also an assumption inherent in this that things were going just fine under Mao before Deng took over as if there was no need to build the productive forces which becoming part of the global economy resulted in. The shifting of most of the world's manufacturing to China crippled their rivals in the West. There certainly were sacrifices made of their people and environment but nowhere in this video do they counter that the single largest increase in living standards and reduction of poverty in the history of humanity has occurred these last ten years in China. They sound like old school Maoists who can't come to grips with their own failures or the long term plans of the party which have begun to bear fruit. Marx's idea was always that socialism would develop from the contradictions inherent in industrial capitalist societies, not backwards peasant ones like the pre-Deng China they idealize. History is not over, not even close and they seem to miss that the struggle is continuing an ongoing within China as we speak in more than just street level labor disputes.

OH NO BILLIONAIRES AND MILLIONAIRES IN CHINA THAT MEANS ITS NOT SOCIALISM. HAHA

Absolutely wrong. Learn about SwCC and dont be dogamtists. You probably sided with the soviets in the sino-soviet split LOL

Lmao

What's the difference between state-capitalism and socialist economy? In the end, in socialism, economy itself isn't abolished but the industries are brought into the hands of the state which represents the people. But since it is impossible to keep their standards without foreign ressources, trade is inevitable. So the state keeps to trade with other countries and their state owned industry, which would result im creating some kind of "market of Nations".
So what's the deal with state capitalism?

I need the bibliography to all of this

Revisionist garbage! Enver Hoxha disapproves!

Where do you get your numbers from. I have heavily conflicting numbers?! 4% of workers and peasents doesnt seem right.

SHOULD AND WILL BE RED. Chinese young people is awaking.