The Libet Experiment: Is Free Will Just an Illusion?

Always nice to get science narrated by the bass player for Spinal Tap.

The highest form of "free will" we humans can muster is to do what we dislike and avoid what we like. The measure of this trait is "willpower". And yeah, that means some of us practice a greater degree of free will than others.

i didnt have a thought before i flexed my wrist

Well, that was useless

We are nothing but the products of our surroundings

What makes him think that the initial brain activity was particularly to move the hand, but wasn't not to move the hand.
The unconcious mind builds a decision but also makes you aware of both decisions - to move your hand and not move it -, and that is when the free will works becouse there is now something to choose between.

It definitely makes a lot more sense that they said out loud they have a thought way after the thought is had? No one can have perfect timing like that, when you have a thought like “push the button” you then are only pushing the button. ONLY THEN do you start the thought of recognizing the thought and saying it out load. I feel like this is really obvious that there’s be a delay?

Wow! I took me 2 minutes to understand this experiment! "free will is an ilusion" it's very complicate to digest a concept like this.

I noticed it took me around a second to utilize 'free won't ' and to not move my hand when prompted at rhe beginning. I think?

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Whoever created the brain is sending the signals.
Simple.

We can't even make our own hearts beat yet we think we can make choices lol.

If we can it's allowed.

Burrrrn haha

What about the late time between making a conscious decision, notifying the visual system to check what time it is, and then getting the report back from the visual system to register in consciousness the time to be reported?

whats Ken Brockmen doing

maybe the brain just caches stuff super fast?
you hear that you should press the button when you feel like it and the brain focuses on that and puts it in a cache

Emil Cioran (1911-1995):
I feel that I am free, but I know that I am not.

Nice to list the narrator and the scriptwriter but the real star is the artist. Did I miss their credit?

This would only be valid if there was a button pressed (by the subjects) at the exact moment they made their decision

You can fight an impulse or an intrusive thought and make a decision after having them. Just because you think something doesn't mean you can't choose not to do that thing.

So, the basis of this theory is the "self-reported" awareness by test subjects of a conscious decision? Pretty weak

Free will deniers when the subconscious mind kicks down the door and starts fucking breakdancing, hundreds of milliseconds faster than the conscious mind

Back there, Benjamin Libet had an all joyful camaraderie.

The infallible all knowing eeg has made a declaration.

It's absolutely ridiculous that many people use this experiment as evidence that we don't have free will.

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i searched "libet's delay" and here's what i got after scrolling for far too long

Libet’s delay

My issue with this is that it could be the simple issue of brain to body latency. The chemo-electric signal takes time to reach the finger tips and hovers in the region of error for the amount of time it takes from a decision to be made and the action to be performed.

According the Libet Experiment it is discussable if there is a free will. If decisions are made in advance by unconscious processes in our brain, and if we then become aware of this and still think we have made a decision, this would negate or restrict free will. The human being would then lead a quasi-predetermined life through his subconscious, or through his experiences, environment, upbringing and genetic predisposition. Thus our actions would be determined and would not contradict the law of causality.

We just become aware of the decision much later, but it's still us who made the decision.

Why would anyone jump to the conclusion that free will doesn't exist? There's just a time lag in the conscious awareness of our free will.

Evidence that the brain is a receiver and that consciousness is not created by the brain but operates through the brain.

Libets delay
Back there benjamin

libets delay!

People overestimate the brain

came here from coursera

That was nice 2 minutes of Disorted seaweed and epic music

This could also mean that your thoughts are sort of physical manifestations of the decisions your soul (YOU) makes.?
So your thoughts are a tool to observe why you do stuff or just what you do in general.

Wait I don't get it, how did he get them to track when they make the conscious decision to move their hand? So for example, when someone wants to lift their hand, the brain would first go I want to lift my hand, then my hand moves right? How does this go against free will? Isn't it normal to think first before proceeding with the action? So it would be like brain goes "I want to lift my hand"-->person becomes aware of their thoughts and report it--> action of lifting hand

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Stupid experiment. The brain is already pre-conditionate by the task required of the experiment. The brain knows already that has to move the hand. Remembering this is what preactivate or create the precognition

I think the experiment reveals the existence of the soul because it would be the soul that makes the decision first before the body would take action.

So...it makes perfect sense that the brain activity bringing about the movement would start before the individual willed anything to happen because the soul would be the cause of triggering that brain activity in order to will the body to make the movement of the decision that has been made.

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As much as anyone tries to actualize a sense of consciousness, it always fails or is only a transitory stage until he's back in the robotic psyche. Free will is pure illusion.

7 seconds ago your brain knew that, you’ll read this comment

I think this is very stupid experiment. If you look at details of this experiment you can notice a distraction for the brain which is recording your thought on time clock. Of course , first brain concentrate on time clock and then you move your wrist.

The sense of free will seems to be a very specific programming by evolution. As such, the purpose of free will must relate
to nature's two mandates of survival and reproduction. Since it seems to be a very specific programming, how specifically is it useful as it relates to survival and reproduction?