RSI Perseus vs Aegis Hammerhead Which is Better? | Star Citizen

not only better at its role but better looking too looking forward to flying it and have 2 players on them big guns

Engineering is fine. It’s not a need for when a ship isn’t multi crewed, it’s simply a buff,allowing crewed ships to run longer than they currently would, since they can be repaired

just take the Lore and its done

Perseus took out 2 Vanduul Destroyers (475m long), the heavy hitters from the prolog with the Beam that split a Idris.

During Operation Mandrake in 2946 in the Vanduul War, the aging Perseus UEES Achilles managed to take down two Vanduul destroyers when the ship was damaged beyond repair. Due to its performance, UEEN Admiral Ernst Bishop personally lobbied RSI to start producing Perseus models again for use against the Vanduul.[2]


And the Perseus survived heavy dmg but it survived.

Perseus also was now considert as Capital... i think it will be a heavy hitting Space Tank that can take a beating.
Also even if Armor is not in currently, a T0 / T1 case of Armor will come with 4.0, its soft Armor.

Im a fan of the HH, but it is unfortunate that it needs so many gunners to be affective. Its a nice ship, and man, the NPC HH's, when the servers aren't lobotomizing the AI pilots and gunners, are actually really scary to fight, even in a group. The ship just needs better multi-crew tools in the game, like a more reliable party system, functioning servers, and being able to get your everyone in your party into the same server reliably. The upside to the Perseus is that it doesn't really need all that many crew members to make it affective, as per you mentioning. But I can definitely see it struggling against fighters, since it wasn't really built to tackle smaller ships, and fighters/groups of fighters will be more common in the verse than big ships like the HH and vice versa.
SC is still quite a ways away till any big ship will be affective in game.
On the topic of Perseus vs Idris, I can see the Perseus being able to take an Idris down, if they play their cards right, such as shooting out the turrets, engines, and focus firing on either the bridge or reactor room (We all know where it is lol). And that if they don't, they'll just waste their shots and run out of ammo. Meanwhile, a pair of Perseus's will be a much more obvious and easy win against an Idris.
Not gonna lie, I love flying my placeholder HH as a daily flyer, but if I had to choose between the two, a HH or Perseus, as a daily flyer, I'd pick the Perseus. It looks a bit smaller and more versatile than the HH lol

I feel all they would need to do is put in armor and basickly you would need a size 4 gun to even put any dmg on the hull of these frigit class ships. An Arrow killing a hammerhead is like a solder with an ak-47 blowing up a Tank. Sure a Tank will not be able to put a lock on it, if it runs around it but than again it doesn't care. Same logic should be implemented here.

For me you cannot compare again each other. onre complete the other one. Hammerhead is against light and medium fighter nd perseus is made for big ship

There are reasons why turrets are obsolete in real life and there are reasons why fighters dominate navy battles during ww2. If they want to make big ships viable in sc they need to put in automatic close range defense systems or put smart aim assist at turrets.

I'd like to formally establish the plural form for multiple perseus is percy's

The perseus should not be faster than the polaris, the polaris was made for speed and quick engagement. The perseus is a naval warship and is armored like one. It should move with heft to it. The polaris should too. But it was built for forward speed and striking.

Doesn't matter; they'll both get nerfed when CIG's excel spreadsheet shows they're killing to many ships.

I think they saied few month ago that the perseus is the next big ship to come out. Personaly i'm not expecting it for IAE, but it would be a cool surprise
Great vid btw

the ships need to be ready for engineering. SC has a lot of ships and if they wait until the engineering game play is in and then update the ships it just causes more of the back log. The release of the Perseus will either be ready within 4 months or if they up size it a tad it will be next year-ish

Sorry, I have been out of the game for a while, how is it that the buc and hornet "outrange" a mammerhead? given that a hammerhead has size 4 and those figheters have size 4?

the buttom Turret of the perseus is shown on the second picture. You see the number 02 on it and the gun berrels are also there. Hope we will get some more information about the perseus at IAE. I think we all will learn how bad an Idris will be to fight against in a bigger ship. If you come into her focus the railgun will one Hit the perseus with Mailstrom. Maybe an Polaris, too. You are very slow with both ships

maelstrom needs to happen before engineering imo

One ship is anti large and the other is anti fighter. There is no better. They fit different rolls.

Perseus.
End of discussion.

I love both. The problem with the HH is how much crew it takes (7 or more). Perseus has a little less, at least for now. Who knows what CIG will do to it.

For you speed comment the Perseus lore wise was built before shield tech was implemented on warships which is why is has far more armor than ships of its class, it’s always why it’s slower than ships in its class however it is also much faster and more maneuverable than capital ships which combined with it’s weaponry is why it was able to defeat two vandul destroyers and why it was re-implemented into the military after the battle of vega. It should be able to handle any ships in its class. As for a size tangle I say maybe around 50m but definitely 60m and up in sub capital as that is its role.

The Polaris would be where the ship should no long be able to solo unless you have sub minimal crew on a Polaris and in close range and have a ammo loader on the Perseus, as the Polaris can’t use it torpedoes within something like 2.5k but its size 6 turret will be a threat.

Also for wanting the bottom turret up from I disagree as it would remove the 360 degree coverage and completely remove the rear coverage. I do agree tho that it would make it easier for the bottom turret to provide forward coverage.

I love the Hammerhead. When it rams into something is blows up! The irony of the name has always kept me rolling on the floor.

Perseus is slow due to its extremely heavy armour.
Polaris is fast due to its light capital armour

I think the Perseus will be a better daily driver, the layout should be far easier to navigate. I also just can't get over how cool the bridge is, being able to look out and see the front of your ship really helps to center you, and give you a sense of it's scale.

The great thing about each ship is that they are never perfect by themselves. They require a fleet of other ships to benefit from eachother and cover eachothers weaknesses.

One's meant to be a floating AA platform... one is mean to nibble at bigger ships 'and' ships = to its size.....

Sooooo which one is better really depends on what you are wanting to do.....

Take out the engines/turrets on something like an Idris/Javelin?.. grab a Perci.

Make a group of fighters want to leave the Hull C your guarding alone?.. the Hammerhead.

One big factor still not in the game as to how these large ships will perform relative to each other and relative to smaller fighters will be the introduction of ship armor. Currently, we're limited simply to outright damage against shield HP and then hull HP, with perhaps some per-ship adjustment to damage values. Without armor factored in, fighter-sized weapons largely have the same effect on hull HP as large weapons. The only difference is DPS. However armor changes this entirely. We don't know exactly how CIG will implement armor, but is has laid out a number of ideas it's looking at. One it has mentioned recently will be to have armor but just a different form of HP that, once worn away, will expose internal components to penetrating fire. But there has also been mention of armor resistance being a factor of weapon size. Thick armor on a ship will resist smaller weapons more than larger ones for instance.

This changes the relationship between fighters and large ships dramatically. Fighters will likely have no trouble punching through the thin skins of other fighters but will struggle against the armor of big ships like the Hammerhead or Perseus. Weapons below a certain size may do little to no damage at all to big ships. Groups of fighters may still be able to wear down a big ship, but it's gonna be a lot harder. Canonically, as part of the design of the Perseus, this ship is supposed to feature unusually thick armor. I remember there being a lot of discussion in years past about the Polaris having much bigger shields than the Perseus, but the Perseus having much more armor; and, how in the scope of how the game had been designed at the time, the armor had not been a good trade-off for shields. However, in the future, that seems to change. Having a lot of armor means a ship is going to have to have a big gun to be a threat to you.

And between the Hammerhead and Perseus, well... the Hammerhead will have far thinner armor and smaller weapons. Head-to-head there should be no doubt the Perseus will come out on top. Realistically, the Perseus should be quite a threat to a Polaris too.

But this is all speculation until we know more about the final design of the Perseus and how armor will be handled.

There is turret at bottom

You forgot the hammerhead pilot control if you down side missiles to size 2 pilots will have 64 dominator 2 size 2 missiles ….. from the start the hammerhead has gotten support by cig and expect the ship to become better later on in the development of the game and this ship currently isn’t done in development stuff are being added to this ship over time all ships are up for combat adjustments while in development 🤷‍♂️…. Also the hammerhead was nerfed while back for being op with ballistic weapons

The thing with the perseus and I hope perseus fanboys dont get mad at me is that it was not made to "hunt" capitals it wasnt made for that is for SubCap hunt as in hunting connies and a2 and hh for example, the size of the guns even when is impresive is just not enough to kill a fully crew cap because that is not their role, and btw is not a capital for those that say it is.. at least as the time of this comment is just a subcap patrol ship no more and is good at that

Armor should make multi crew/engi playable because all you need is a light fighter to kill anything. The Perseus has a disgusting LACK of smaller turrets, I mean come on where are they?

That would be cool if Perseus had a VLS

every world true. rare sc video. thx

what website did you use to make this?

i liked you was show the picture for longer time while talking about the ship. Liked you mentioned natural enemys the ion and hammerhead. plus infos about size 5 rockets what i did not know. Hope you wanna do polaris starlancer videos in pu ( i have pu installed) Until i have starlancers and polaris i can borrow it to you in PU to make videos..

One has a point and one has a hole…

It must be done!

Remember it’s not about how much you saved on one ship BUT how much you spent overall. Years away if you’ve already spent hundreds on their website - please much better uses for your entertainment-money ; maybe save for pc like upgrading your screen , etc. or joysticks or tennis lessons

man the perseus is so fine . that is my favorite ship design in SC . I like both these ships.

My man, if your gonna do these you gotta do your research. HH IS and anti-torp and missile platform, it doesn't need a pdt. And the Persius is not an anti-Capital ship, it's main roles are sub capital, always has been.

Things are gonna be up in the air and unrealistic until we get proper armor penetration. Thats when having small guns on a small fighter is going to be a disadvantage against bigger ships. I just love the look of the Perseus love at first sight.

The main problem with the hammerhead is weapon range

The perseus has to mantain a tight distance at all times..
the Hammerhead has to get within 1.4km
So I think the Perseus has to work around 2.5km leaving only 1 km or 1.3km range between them..
If both pilots are skilled this could take a long time..
If HH retreats to make Perseus lose the range and then after turn and boost towards the incoming Perseus that could end the perseus right there..
Also even tho I preder the perseus Im NOT sure that dual size 7s will be better than 2x quad size 4's...cuz no matter where the HH looks it has lots of guns pointing..
Its a battle of REACH.
I have both ships and im really excited for the perseus.

What happened to the A2? Thought they buffed it with an additional large shield?

When my perseus?

Perseus will be able to pack a punch IF it can catch the ship. From what i remember of its lore.. its meant to be more "hold the line" kind of ship rather than a hunter ship. Its heavily armored with heavy guns, and is a slow patrol ship. Its designed to fight the larger vanduul ships, since they tend to have larger ship sizes, making them easy targets for the perseus.
I still wouldnt call the perseus an anti-capital ship, but rather an anti Large ship. It would obliterate nearly all ships around freelancer size up to carrack sized. And it definitely wont be able to solo a polaris after the upgunning it received.. It now has 8x S4 (2x quad s4 turrets), and 2x S6 that can all fire facing forward, onto a single target. it would obliterate a perseus in a head on fight.

The Perseus is the UEEN analog to the old Destroyer Escorts. Technically the Polaris would be like a modern AEGIS class destroyer [with tubes instead of VLS].
Javelin class destroyers would actually be closer to a light cruiser with a focus on AA, while the cruisers [battlecruisers?] we saw in the SQ42 intro would be heavy and battlecruisers [or fast battleships]
The Idris feels like a weird combination of a San Antonio class landing ship crossed with an LCS and a BB Naval Rifle bolted to the deck.

Oh...so the Perseus is a backwards facing hammerhead

Perseus is better it has a lower crew requirement then the Hammerhead.
The most important cost for any Ship in the Game is the "Player Price" - You can have 2 Perseus with the same amount of players as a single Hammerhead.

The Perseus is a jpeg....it doesn't do anything.

I consider the HH a fundamentally flawed design. No way a slow moving corvette with turrets on it's side is a good counter to fighters in a space game. I believe the new redeemer is way more effective at that role

The VLS would be cool if they used small missiles that could take out torpedoes. Like a anti-air missile on modern ships.

Neither. It'll be whichever new ship CIG needs to sell next.