TOP 7 SIEGE UNITS - Total War: Shogun 2!

The thing is that european cannons are lethal to cavalry compared to mangonels since they shoot in a straight line. I personally use them to snipe generals in field battles or soften enemy cav so that my cav will have the edge.

European cannons need the acccuracy upgrade to be effective

Something I wanna point out that I've discovered when playing avatar conquest is that Hand mortars are surprisingly strong at taking out units in forests. Because of the arc the bombs don't get caught on trees unlike fire rockets. This is a very niche use but something to keep in mind anyways.

Top 10 worst units: Fire Rockets are inaccurate and don’t do much damage.
Me watching the clip played of them obliterating the unit they shot at: Ok if you say so.

For my first playthrough of the single player campaign, I brought two mangonels to my first assault on Kyoto. I was quite disappointed that between the two of them, they were only able to fully destroy ONE tower.

Bow Ashigaru are indisputably better siege units than the first 4 units on this list and arguably the two ninja units as well.

I love fire rockets… it lags my potato computer but who can say no to rockets

Why can't I activate the European cannons in the seige tutorial?

All siege units benefit tremendously if you recruit them with all accuracy increasing buildings present. For fire rockets it can easily double their accuracy.

complains that 4 siege weapons can’t take on 600 men alone
European cannons aren’t meant to take on enemy units head on like a yari ashigaru, they’re support, they wreck the enemies before you yari ashigaru move in,
Comparing them on a flat head on is them at their weakest, making it unfair.

Also the forts are wood in shogun2, making it extreme fun to use the cannons

yeah my siege units of choice bow munks and fire rockets, if the enemy cant get to your front line they cant win

How powerful are the fire rockets?
Well, my straggler army who have 20 men fire rocket and 15 men samurai fought against 2 fully manned takeda cavalry squads. I won, with some friendly fire of course.

Its amazing to see the cavalry, menace of medieval battlefield got thrown off their horses by some rockety bois. After their general took a rocket to the face they flee lol..

u can get cannons easily by local hojo rebellions as well as others. Not all things are in the game for practical reasons some are historical etc

Nice video. Shows what each unit does, but I wish you had shown them in an offensive siege setting as I assume that's what they're for.

We need a top line infantry in total war shogun 2 fall of the samurai

I use a mod that gives the cannons HE projectiles, now they are not as bad anymore, 6 units triplestacked are quite useful. What you forgot to mention was that you can triple or with careful placement even quadruple stack cannons, that way you can make your formation more condensed.
The fire mongonels can be double stacked thus making it a bit better. I even recruited them in a fun doomstack with 14 of them, 5 Yari with increased armor and the general. It was a hell lot of fun and WW1 artillery barrage for the enemy.

After using hand mortarts extensivly in mods, I realised that they are actually much better support units than fire bomb throwers due to their high trajectory, you won't actually be worrying about hitting your own units since they are much accurate and you can always fire at enemy units that are not at the front. But their high trajectory also means low accuracy against moving targets, so its better to be used in defensive situation, especially in sieges, bridge battle or when shields are deployable.

The only reason Otomo players train European Cannons is because we want to experience Total War Empire again.

Handmortars are great at countering firerockets

Gonna say. If you skip the sieges in the campaign, are ya really playing the game? Sieges in Total War are some of the most fun parts of it. Heroic last stands, grizzly close quarters fighting because the pesky defenders managed to avoid your artillery bombardment long enough...

Just fantastic. And that's why I love the cannons, fire rockets and magonels.

I wont deny that the canons and mangonels are bad. But they're nothing more amazing than that 1/1000 chance where you fire a volley into the enemy and here those amazing words "there general has fallen."

Mangonels were once useful, though still not great. CA decided to totally gut them because they were problematic in avatar multiplayer mode. Took their accuracy from 55 to 20 since they were becoming the primary the staple of camping builds. Before the nerf, in the avatar mode you could get cheap accuracy upgrades and improved inspire (leadership gen) to make them devastating weapons.

Now, you're lucky if you hit anything by the time your enemy reaches you. You might get some kills if your enemy is forced to wait for you to expend all your ammo, like they are in sieges.

My biggest gripe with this nerf is it broke mangonels in SP since the opportunity costs of fielding or upgrading them is so much higher. In SP you have to deal with upkeep. You have limited building space. Securing upgrades takes a lot of time. You can't change out units on the fly before battle like you can in multiplayer, ect. It's a lot of extra trouble to carry around and use these very situational weapons. Mangonels should have got the naginata monk treatment. Different variants for different modes, so their stats can be balanced according to what mode they're being used in.

The nerf that made mangonels a niche weapon for sieges in avatar mode pretty much destroyed their viability everywhere else. They are the garbage of garbage now. A thorn in your side to use or keep around. ATM it's painful to watch a unit with a premium price literally get 0 kills firing in multiple open field battles in a row, sometimes even destroying my own troops in the process. I would have put them lower than canons or mortars because at least you can consistently get a few kills while mangonels will sometimes get no kills at all or worse, kill and route some of your own men.

This game was supposed to some mechanics of empire and napoleon and but nope cannons are trash in this game

I wish that you would go more into attacking and defensive sieges with the top CG unit video that you just made here. You're showcasing them more on like a three on three or one on one battle with melee and it's rushing in a straight line... Not very many actual sieges

With siege units like these, you might as well just get more Yari Ashigaru

Considering how much talk about siege enemy out make me think you bad at siege battles

Well yeah, they’re siege weapons not battlefield

"Man who doesn't play sieges rates siege weaponry"

You set the firebomb throwers incorrectly behind your yari wall. There is an area directly in front of the firebomb throwers where they can't throw. If you put your yari wall inside of that area, friendly fire casualties drop to almost nothing. Meanwhile, the enemy infantry that hasn't reached your yari wall yet gets blown to bits.

Fire rockets go brrrrrr

Just to clarify, you do NOT need to convert to be Christian already in order to build the Nanban Trade Port, but in order to get its final upgrade the Nanban Quarter, you have to convert first. However, I think you can circumvent this by conquering a province that already has one (easiest way to do that is to wait a few years before attacking Kyushu, at which point the port in Bungo will 9 times out of 10 be fully upgraded as it starts with the NTP at the very beginning of the campaign and spreads Christianity to its neighbors). However if you want to stay Buddhist AND keep the port it’ll take a lot of work to secure Bungo and its neighboring provinces long term

1. Yari Ashigaru Rockets

Is it just me or do the Mangonels never have the range to reach their target during sieges?

Top 1. Siege Yari Ashigaru

Bottom 7. Fire Projecting European Yari Samurai

Nothing is more satisfying then the AI panic attack after you had 2 rocket units shoot a volley into their general... haaha

He really doesnt like pretty much any of the siege weaponry in the game so im excited for this one, yes ik im late...

Using fire rockets are great for sniping generals off the bat making winning a fight easy. In multiplayer and single

Respect for admitting the 180! Makes your recommendations all the more legit.

Mangonel are really useful in siege you are just using them wrong, they are really good at knocking down walls, buildings and if you spam them in province with the accuracy bonus they are pretty good at pummelling high up castles that shit cannons cannot get to, as most of the time you fight in hilly hell holes were stuff just do not have the range to reach so Mangonel are useful and act like mortars.
I really wish they did added mortar cannons to the game as Japan historically did have them as they imported and even made a lot of Chinese style cannons which had a piss load even breech loaded cannons some of the first of its kind in fact.

Someone tell me where to find the map in ze game :<

I love your videos but have to disagree with you on not being a siege attacker. It is way too easy to beat the AI in sieges especially with bow warrior monks. Simply pick off the enemy from a far then move in. If they have most their bows on one side just keep half your army on that side and move your other half while should be bows around to pick off the enemy.

I have had countless siege battles as the attacker with no losses or only a few.

what is the point of useless units

Cannon are great for killing generals early on. I mean, sure if you aren't planning to turn Christan don't bother.....
But it's a decent option for the Owarii who can get them early on

I love the European Cannons


And not that hard to get


For example, play shimazu. Take control of the right border.


There is Nanmban trade port.


Convert to christianity.


Build only European Cannons


???


See the enemy flee in terror of EUROPEANS


Edit: Yes DEUS VULT!

Maybe do top naval units please?


I always just make only medium ships coz they are not that much expensive than the arrow ones and are better in more ways.

An epic intro to a epic video