I'm giving up on Windows

I appreciate it, but I’ve already tried basically every optimization suggestion. I’m committed to this, it’s already blown away what my PC could do and is way more stable. I’ll have more videos soon.
And cost… my CPU alone has a MSRP of $4000 lol
ALSO this video is in 8K and only took 5 minutes to render. My PC literally couldn't render 8K videos at all w/o crashes due to limited 24GB VRAM.

That halation and bloom looks great, you using Dehancer?

I had the same problem at one stage. I too tried everything under the sun doing deep dives into possible causes.
It came, it went, then came back, then went again...touch wood, haven't had it for 8 months now.
At the end of the day, I'am leaning to one or the other, both, or a combination of certain versions of both.
>>>>Nvidia's drivers & Windows updates.<<<<<
(one or the other aren't playing ball with each other until another update comes along)
My biggest suspicion is either these two are the main reason (but not exluding also possible tweaking of settings & services running, may help fix the problem as well)

Time to .. switch to Linux and install a RT-enabled kernel. Yes, it can get more "crashy" (I'm looking at YOU, Mixxx!), but latency issues are a thing of the past :D

The only annoyance is that the numerous audio servers and solutions are the same chaos as on Windows and Mac OS.

native USB SSDs are probably a better buy for the price right now - just a little more expansive than USB NVME, but still a lot cheaper than thunderbolt NVMe, and so much more power efficient than both

🤮

I see a feature where EposVox is going to have a hybird MAC/PC dual system with KVM system.

Why not switch to linux. I run Debian 12 with Resolve running native. No problem. just gimping yourself with Mac

25 years using only pc’s for music recording/mixing and video work. 1 month ago I bought a used Mac mini m1 just to test it anddddddddd I was blown away!!!!! It almost did what my 2019 super pc did. No heat no noise no nothing. Just ordered my Mac Studio max and already started learning Macintosh plus Logic (which is super efficient and fast) along with my Davinci resolve. I’m a Mac fan boy now :)
Cheers

My gaming PC (3080Ti) has 1500 latency in LatencyMon. My streaming PC (regular 3080) has almost none. They both have the same exact motherboard and CPU. I don't get it.

And here I was hoping you were switching to Linux. Lol, I am a sweet summer child. I am glad your current system works for you though

I thought you'd move to Linux :D

This is a hard core solution for me. I mean, I'm going through the exact same thing, and yeah, I get it. I'm so angry. No fix after a year for all the DPC latency pops. With this as a solution, all my apps that were Microsoft only, would now have to be replaced for new ones,
re-purchased, and re-learned. I guess NOW, I WILL have to learn MAC's operating system. And if I need to adjust something i.e go into the directories for something, or edit, fix, adjust, or make new settings, I will have to learn the MAC Op system. I've never used a MAC before. I don't know. I have to applaud you for taking that on, but my brain will explode the first time I have to record something, and realize the UI is so different it'll take me a year just to figure out where the record button is in a new DAW. But, I guess you figured out, it just ain't never getting better. Windows has finally screwed it up so bad, there's no solution but to leave. I've been avoiding this for the past year. But, I'm beginning to realize they just don't care. Thanks for the video. It IS a wakeup call.

So friggin’ excited! Can’t wait to see deep dive Mac content!!!

I know that Windows does not like the NUMA layout of threadripper and it's scheduling for it is lackluster. Apparently if you create a Windows virtual machine in Linux, you get better performance, especially if you lie about the NUMA/topology layout of the cpu.

These issues will only be fixed in a whole next Windows update, like Windows 12 etc.

Damn, the user expert with AMD is so bad, it caused Epos to run from x86 PC entirely😂. Seriously though, why not just switch to Intel?

Good luck.

I don't understand your issues at all. I've been on a Phenom II X4, an FX-8370 and now a Ryzen 5 3600 and haven't had any of these DPC issues. Maybe it's your memory speed? I'm terrible at overclocking but my 64GB 3200MT kit is currently running at 3600 and I have the voltage just slightly bumped on everything but the CPU. Is this just a prosumer thing? I want to say it's best to roll back to cheap junk and find something proven but it sounds like you've never had that, even in the AM3 days. How did you even get here after that? Sounds hella cursed.

Needed this video in particular for awhile. These issues have plagued me for so long

no linux love? 🙂

hi! do you have a course for OBS but in MacOS?

Have you tested this with the latest Nvidia drivers? They specifically mention DPC fixes for 40 series cards

I gave up back in April. Went for an M2 mini for my bass and guitar recording. Yeah I know Apple is stealing money from everyone, Rossman want Apple to shutdown, yada yada, but I just want to record my f*cking guitar. I don't have time to fight politics and all that. And no, I don't have time to fix Linux installation. I'm facing insane amounts of Linux as softwrae engineer, I don't want to deal with that on my free time.

And yeah, everything is working as is on my M2 mini. I can't believe it. Now I'm using 3 machines. Mac is exclusively for recording. I'm still using the other machines for other workflows.

>mac
nah, dislike, im not using mac ever.

Nvidia supposidly fixed this issue. Their av drivers caused this issues.

yeah that was why i ditched AMD (among other reasons) but DPC was a major issue. Haven't had any issue in that department since going back to intel and insuring my drivers and settings are optimized using sysinternals tools and some easy power management settings in bios. it will be interesting to see what comes up with your mac so definitely keep us posted.

Random thoughts that came up when watching this. I don't really have much of context about this specific problem outside this video, but have struggled with pretty much every windows related audio issue one could have.

Audio is sometimes so mystical when it comes to performance. It needs to be real time so in a sense it taxes system very evenly, but many audio chains run only on one core. Example: in DAW you can have many tracks, and and one plugin on every one and system will run just fine as all those tracks are processed by different cores. If you flip the situation around and put multiple plugins on one track, you will tax only one core. (Source: Try it yourself)

Early threadrippers seem to have some issues with low latency audio, where buffer size is small. IIRC it has something to do with AMDs infinity fabric and latency that causes. (Source: ScanProAudio articles, where they test threadrippers)

I totally understand the frustration with tech. Apple machines seem to be more problem free if you have performance overhead, but as soon as you start to reach the limit it can be buggy mess. On the other hand apples pricing model is so frustrating and you still leave some performance (or LOTS of ram) on the table vs top specced PC.

Windows audio drivers are the absolute worst. There's a reason why every recording studio is using Macs.

I wonder if this is the AMD fTPM issue, which may be fixed with a bios update, or may need to be completely disabled.

uh........ This only happens typically on windows if you're running Nvidia. It's WELL KNOWN. LOL

That thing drove me crazy, I thought It was the mics USB interface and cable. Changed the cable, it was happening less also one thing that helped me was connecting the USB cable to front I/O

I had insane audio drop out problems with OBS on both Intel and AMD. Other software seemed fine. 2 different audio interfaces - the same thing - every 3 minutes or so there would be a 21 ms gap. So what helped was OBS Asynchronous Audio plugin.

Possible fix to anyone having crackling audio issues in Windows.
I installed Equalizer APO on my audio interface.
enabled the "troubleshooting options" checkbox to disable "Use original APO" checkboxes.
if you have a lot of processing (vst plugins), it also helps to enable "Allow silent buffer modification"
TL;DR
Disable original APOs

Oh I really thought you were going towards Linux. I was actually really surprised when you pulled out that Max studio

I spent months dealing with this very same nightmare. Ultimately I had to reinstall windows, and also replace both my GPU and my audio interface. Since then, (knock on wood) it's gone.

Same here. My m2 studio ultra arrived today. Bye bye pc.

I'm running an M1 Max Mac Studio and love it. I've been running PowerMac's and Mac Pro's only until this. The smallest computer on my desk, ever. And it's great!

Enjoy!

DPC latency was the thing that made me move over to Linux, funny thing is it only happened while I had my second screen on.

that sht is like 9000$ im dying lmao 😂

I wonder how good Apple Silicon is with encoding live streams on OBS

If you are using intel 12 or 13th gen, the part that handles io ring stuff has been moved to motherboard instead of being on cpu. Could you try an earlier intel or amd? It might fix it..

i had these sound issues before and thought it was DPC related and it just turned out that the power in the house i lived in sucked. over time a compressor from the fridge or AC or just something could kick on enough times while my computer is on and my audio will slowly robot out and lose sync. unplug the audio interface and it fixes temporarily. no plug in my house was different. no power supply was different. had the circuit for that room rewired by an electrician with some big amp service on a brand new circuit breaker and it was gone. i later moved and also haven't had it since.
not saying it wasn't or isn't ACTUALLY dpc latency for you causing that... i might be saying that the dpc latency could be a red herring with weird things that you'd never think was actually causing it, causing it.

gratz on the mac though. been using a m1 mac mini base model since they came out as my main computer on my 4k hdr tv at my couch and its perfect. even with the smallest drive and lowest ram i can still edit in resolve and have tons of tabs open in whatever browser (i use edge). my avermedia usb hdr 4k card works just fine with it. recording audio in OBS used to be impossible but it got better. its a wonderful computer that doesn't make any sound and is just great to have going all night with a queue of transcodes too.

too bad that apple is absolutely wrecking macos slowly over time. the ui has been going down hill, their priorities are strange. been beta testing macos also since i got the mac mini lol cuz thats just what i do with computers i get.

Thank you so much for explaining this. It was SO Frustrating for me... I had this exact same problem.

I have plenty of problems with Apple as a company, but for stuff like this they are really good.

Windows is hot garbage for audio and MS should absolutely take sh1t for it, but it is also hilarious how much jank you need to pull to get a normal pro setup working with a Mac, and how little control you get over some basic software things. But the industry keeps sucking it up, so here we are.

Btw, Threadripper making it worse sounds like potentially a CPU scheduler issue (and the windows scheduler is also hot garbage). If you're on 11, did you try going back to 10? I heard the scheduler got worse in 11.

DPC latency doesn't mean your system can't keep up, it means there's a specific kernel driver (often your video driver or WiFi) that isn't returning from its deferred procedure call (DPC) in the time it was allotted. Generally doesn't have anything to do with any other background or other processes on the computer. On my production PC, I use the NVidia Studio drivers, as they do a bit less to try to max out FPS and win Gaming benchmarks.

Most tweak guides on the internet are simply wrong. For example: optimizing for background processes means you are giving MORE time to background services and executing code which can't be traced back to a root interactive window -- the window for the app you're using. I hate that that info is out there. Most people make their computers worse, and don't back out the changes which didn't help, compounding the problem.

Custom-built PCs and gaming PCs can have issues like this for sure. Most DIY hardware is geared around gaming, which is all about FPS, not audio.

The Mac Studio is nice, but if you wanted to stick with Windows and not go to macOS, you could have purchased a PC from a builder that specializes in the music and video production industries. Plenty of them out there, and they know which components work together for the best performance for these scenarios. Sounds like going to a Mac lets you expand your content and courses anyway, so probably not a concern for you, but it may be for others going along the journey with you.

Disclosure: I work in Windows at Microsoft, specifically on apps and tech for musicians.

I ran into so many issues with audio, video, etc. tried many things and devices, I haven’t had the time to try it on mac but if that works, man I’ll be stocked. Da Vinci resolve I gave up on windows due the many issues with audio, I just thought it was a useless program, but everyone else is talking wonders, and my audios interfaces I have returned them cuz I was nevertheless happy with it, and still people say that works. Ok how I can tell they are using it on mac! Everyone should state the OS version they are using thank you

Dood, I feel your frustration; I've been dealing with these issues for 25 years. It seems to me, however, that you may have simply lost the silicon lottery, here. You can configure two IDENTICAL PCs; one will have DPC gremlins and the other will not. It's crazy but that's how fickle these systems can be.