Making a Tierlist of EVERY unit in Rome: Total War

Cappadocian cavalry and cataphracts are literally the same unit with different names, how are they so far apart in ranking?

But where do the infamous Yubtseb elephants rank? The first time i found them was when Athens revolted with a gladiator revolt and they got 2 units of them and shreded my legions on the assault hahaha

Actually Roman Cavalry is heavy, and can do some really good damage to units it hits in the rear

The only one I disagree with is armored eastern generals. They are the best cavs in the game. Definitely better than Roman general. I routed a full stack of Roman army with like 2 of these guys

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putting spartans to the rank of "we will make spartans out of these yet" must be the biggest OOOOF in history. xD.

I guess im entirely biased because Egyptian axemen would be "We Will Make Spartans Out of You" for me.

I always use them in every army and every campaign unless im specifically doing a "cav only" thing. Usually doing a 2:1 ration for spearmen to axemen whenever i have the chance. But im also super aggressive with my cav/chariots and force my enemy to react, giving me lots of chances to throw my axemen into the gates of hell and watch them pop off

With all due respect but all Legionaries other than the Early Cohort are trash.

1. You want to exterminate the populace in conquered cities so you get rich off plunder, can set very high taxes and most importantly don't have rebellions in your rear. That reduces the city size so even "normal" Legionaries are a long shot.
2. Your Early Cohorts will gain experience and outshine newly trained stock "normals" because they will roll out sooner. You then can also retrain those veteran Early Cohorts in any town with barracks bringing them to full strength whenever you need.
3. You don't waste money on barracks a tier 2 port or even roads will be a higher return on investment.
4. Praetorians and Urbans requrie 2 turns to recruit: x2 Early Chorots > x1 Urban Cohort.

Same principle applies to Hastati vs Principii but to a lesser extent as Principii have disciplined and highly trained.

I once dominated the entire campaign map with just Germanic Berserkers. It's was the easiest thing ever. You simply set them in one big line and sent them running in Berserker mode.

I was never defeated, apart from when I reached the Egyptian chariots. They then destroyed my entire armies after simply running away and whittling down my men.

Can you rank m2tw mercenaries?

I think someting that should effect their tier is how they interact with the faction as a whole. For example, for Gothic Cavalry, it means you now have to choose between gothic cavalry which are expensive and take multiple turns to do what the noble cavalry do cheaply. Or the Berserkers which are just an absolute wrecking crew.

Or for example the same unit on one faction vs another due to building differences, case in point. The same cavalry on one faction might be stronger on another because of building giving them exp or weapon or armor bonuses.

The funny thing is eastern infantry in large numbers are very good. With about five or six units of eastern infantry and a general I defeated multiple armies of Seleucid militia hoplites in a row.

I agree on eastern infantry being absolute shit, though when massed and upgraded, especially morale which is now possible in the remaster they're actually not that terrible, only their upkeep is insanely high for a unit that has such low morale.

One advantage over using British heavy chariots over your general's guard is you don't have to worry about the sudden death of your general. Of course this is a factor with all general's bodyguards, but it's particularly pronounced with chariot generals who can get themselves into horrible trouble quickly.

The Germanic spear warband is like starting with tanks in 1914; the perfect (if primitive) counter for the time. They get a phalanx at the start of the game when most of their immediate rivals are running around with warbands and light cavalry. They do absolutely dreadfully if they come out of formation though, and they are extremely difficult to use in sieges.

The skirmisher units are worth keeping on hand for sieges. They can be used to draw the enemy out from the center where they can be routed or quickly surrounded. That alone makes them 'if you cannot have better' in my opinion as they at least have a role. You can use pila instead if you're the Romans or Spanish, but they have shorter range and enemies may be able to park somewhere on a large square that the shorter ranged pila can't reach. Having just one skirmisher unit can save you from a brutal slugging match that takes out a chunk of your army.

one thing that bugged me a bit though: the roman cavalry after marion reforms is actually a heavy cav unit

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i think Gothic Cavalry should be way higher as they are the best barbarian cavalry in the game. same quality as late warlord bodyguard, just with 1 HP. this is similar to the relation between praetorian cavalry and roman armored general.

Making my official request for a faction tier list for Medieval 2.

Hoplites can rule the world if given flank protection and ranged like peltasts, me personally I try to make the best heavy peltasts and use them like hastati when I can

I think the Bull Warriors should be put in top tier. Not only do they have two hitpoints which is nice but they have one of the highest damaging javalins in the game. Completely outdoing even the urban cohorts at range and allowing them to go toe to toe with them. As such they are significantly stronger when skirmishing rather than being in battle where their stats are lower.

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Peasants and light cav both have a special role that’s outside of combat. If you’re facing an army without cav, one unit of light cav sitting behind their army just chasing people down will double your kills in a battle. Just don’t use them on nonrouting units

Ok, OK. IMO Scythian noble cav do NOT melee, they charge and get away. It can not be simpler than that.

Scythian Nobles should be placed higher, they are situational in the Scythian roster because horse archers get 99% of the job done but they can be used like a heavier version of the Macedonian Light Lancers to cycle-charge with devastating effect, especially against testudo users.

Speaking of Light Lancers, they are absolutely amazing. They have crazy damage early on and even later they're no slouch on the charge, plus they are one of the fastest units in the game so they are excellent at flanking or preventing fleeing units from rallying. They die a lot but who cares, they cost less than 400 denarii and can be (re)trained almost anywhere. I would rate them Spartan tier.

Screeching Women are cheap early game morale boosters, later Germania gets much better ways to manipulate morale but they are a good stopgap. Not strictly necessary since Spear Warbands dominate the early game anyway, but definitely not trash tier.

Spear Warband deserve Spartan tier, while they aren't the best in terms of quality, they are unrivalled in numbers and cost-efficiency. They are essentially cheap Phalanx Pikemen which can be recruited in a Tier 1 barracks.

I think most Rome Total War unit tier lists need a space for "circumstantial" units, like druids or chariots. They are very good at some moments, while they perform some roles horribly. They are not good or bad overall, but designed for special and concrete circumstances.

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Horse archers, Cathaphracts, Cataphracts Archers, Sarmatian Cavalry, Companions, Urban Cohorts, Armoured Hoplites, Macedonian Royal Phalanx (Seleucid Silver Shields/Pontic Bronze Shields), Chosen Archers, Chosen Axemen, Scythed Chariots and Armoured Elephants. The demi-gods of Rome:Total War.

Head Hurlers from Britannia should be ranked higher. The effect they have on demoralizing is quite substantial+they are effective at killing generals and heavy infantry from the romans, which can be hard playing as britannia.

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