4.2 - The Secret of The Abyss to Burn The Old World, Tsaritsa's Wish | Genshin Lore & Theory, Surtr.

Also both Surtologi and Dain are obsessed with power from beyond

well the impact in HI3 refers to a massive event in the modern time of the game maybe the impact in genshin is similar

means the fatui is going to recreate RAGNAROK ? is that right?

Zhongli is affected by Irminsul as he looses all knowledge of Greater Lord Rukketivata upon the pruning of the tree

I hate how nobody is connecting the fact that the Third Descender is dead, and that our Sibling isn't considered a Descender despite how we both arrived at the same time. We are the Fourth Who Came, and I recall that there have only really been 4. We can Resonate with the Seven's statues, the Gnoses were made from the corpse of the Third, and our elemental abilities are watered-down copies of the Sevens' abilities. That should only ever be possible on one condition: Our Sibling's corpse was used to make the Gnoses.

Heavenly Principles: You cannot beat me.
Cryo Archon: I know, but he can
giant Surtur bust through celestia

Childe is the Flame of Certer

Tsaritsa is collecting the gnoses to re-constitute the... Ten Tails.

someone says that the god that sits in celestia are the 2nd descender. Now the shades and other ally of the 1st descender come together to over thrown the usurper. ☕

The tsaritsa using the gnosis to conjure abyssal powers which can be originated from Surtalogi which implies her plan to be the same with the abyss order doesn't seem to fit. According to the conversation between the fatui harbingers, some of them are assigned across teyvat to place an order upon the world and plan attempts to recover the gnoses. While the other members of the harbingers and some fatui are posted in the abyss to hold back and fight the abyss order. This means that the tsaritsa is not affiliated with the abyss order but has connection with Surtalogi to use abyssal powers for the fatui. I believe the tsaritsa's plan is to challenge celestia's current rule (old world) for the way they use fate to control the world. She will then replace Celestia to forge fate anf remove pain and suffering from the world (like a utopia). While the abyss order plans to destroy the celestia and return the world of teyvat in its original form, that of the abyss, that of nothing as the world can only start from nothing (a time before the dragon sovereigns).

I love norse mythology and i actually think that what tsaritsa and fatui are planning to do is something like ragnarök, which literally means 'twilight of the gods' or 'doom of the gods', twilight being a reference to khaenriah and dain. it is the end if the regin of the gods. the term ragnarök was also popularised by Wagner in 'Dar Ring des Nibelungen', so that's that. Anyways, ragnarök is a battle between gods and giants that destroys the whole world by burning it (the burning of irminsul in sumeru trailer? and the quote about rosalyns resting place being the 'old world'?) and drowning it (like in fontaine?), also the stars will die and the sky will fall, so scaras theory about fake sky is possibly very real. tsaritsa might be loki, who was a god that wasn't on the side of the gods but neither giants until ragnarök. in the myth it is also said that everyone will die except for two people which are man and woman and they hid in the tree called yggdrasil, but the other name for it is actually irminsul. i believe that these two people might be our sibling, but who knows. in the time before the destruction world will also be frozen by the really harsh winter, so schneznaya? then after the doom world will be reborn, so again fatui want to create a new world and they need all the gnosis for it probably to destroy heavenly principles or celestia. so in summary fatui=giants celestia, heavenly principles and the 7 archons=gods, tsaritsa=loki. cataclysm in khaenriah and our journey might be a plan of the unknown god to stop the destruction of the world or to give the world a new beginning as they might be the ones that will hide in the branches of irminsul. we will probably find out in few years or so. also sorry if i said something wrong about the mythology be free to correct me

Any relation between the Gnosis and the Bifröst ?

Speaking of which, and I havent finished the video yet, but is it possible the Sinner who Alberich talked to created Khaenriahns? I assume the Khaenriahns are different humans due to their eyes

The plot twist is,venti know the whole thing but acting foolish. He seems to be all knowing without any intervention to current story.

Could the abyss in genshin be related to ouroboros the fallen aeon from star rail?

kharenriah probaby about ragnarok

My greatest fear is, the actual Archons will die... I would break down if they do. hugs Venti please dont leave me my favourite Bard 😭😭😭

Isn't Visionary and Vedrfolnir the same person?
Because it's written as : "Visionary", Vedrfilnir...
In the Skirks dialogue

I’ve been told hillichurls aren’t just from Khaneriah though. Some can be from other nations who got weirdly cursed.

Fischl representing the eagle character is kinda funny.

Random but isn’t it weird that we haven’t heard a thing about the hypostases. They gotta be important having the hebrew alphabet as their names right? Part of me feels like their the remaining pieces of the 3rd descender to keep the archons in check? They act in nature similar to the archons, they use weird sigils to summon their powers, and their cubed shape which is kinda an obvious heavenly principle sign at this point. They’re also the purest forms of the elemental powers, I doubt they were just born in the natural world that way. But it would make a lot of sense if the 3rd descender had remaining power that could be divided between the statues of the 7 and the hypostases🙆🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Some of what you said helped me put my own theories into context. In mythology, Alberich Nibelung is the name of the Dwarf King who stole gold from the Maidens (or daughters) of the river Rhine to make a magic golden torc (ring). It brought fortune, had the ability to make the wearer invisible, teleport them great distances, and even shapeshift them into a dragon. The connections between the mythology and Genshin are becoming more and more clear with each patch. Clearly Rhinedottir aka "Gold" is a reference to the maidens of the rhine river of gold, and now I surmise that Nibelung, the king of the dragon sovereigns in Genshin, is also the King of Khanreiah, whose royal family's last name was Alberich. Thanks to this and the connections we've seen between Dainsleif, Kaeya, and Pierro in the story quest that explained their Khanreiahn pupils, I first believed that Pierro is the Dragon king Nibelung Alberich, who left Teyvat to go to the River Rhine, which may be the abyss, or sea of stars in Genshin, to steal something from Rhinedottir to challenge Celestia. But thanks to your further connections with Irmin/Oden, the hanged man and the sinner, I think the sinner may be Rhinedottir, brought from outside of Tevat by Pierro (Nibelung Alberich, the Khanreiahn Dragon King) whose "remains" is the "gold" that fashioned the Gnosis when the dragons challeneged the Heavenly Principles. There's evidence of this in the voice line (I can't remember whose) that states something like, "the first and the second descender created the gnosis together using the thirds remains". This could mean that Phanes (or his shades) and Nibelung used Rhinedottir to make the gnosis to stabelize the destruction brought to Tevat by the arrival of Rhinedottir. We've been able to connect Dwarves in mythology with khanreiah, and now I believe we've been able to connect Khanreiah with dragons (dwarves are often connected with dragons and gold in mythology), so Khanreiah was a nation of dragons, dragonkin, humans and maybe even oceanids, who wished to challenge Celestia with power from the abyss. I don't think it's a coincidence that our next stop on our travel is a nation of dragons...

I don't think anyone is the good guy in genshin. Fatui, celestia, and the abyss order are all bad in different ways. The abyss order seems the worst out of all of them though because we still don't really know their motivations

Why nobody think who just died in last archon quest and reviving her? I mean we didn't get hydro archon to wishes, though we got super duper hydro dual wielder, but we're still missing archon. What about we get two along with Muratan?

3rd Decender name my gues is ymir

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I mean Zhongli could very much know the truth or at least know the truth of the war but he is not a dragon. He is an adepti who took the form of a dragon.

That Odin part where he was hung on the tree reminded me of the Hanged Man tarot card

Theres a new event right now, the Fremine one, and I couldn’t help but think that the hallucination story of the boy is an allegory of Kaenriah. What do you think?

Honestly I think that Hoyoverse is just making up the lore as they go. But it's fun to theorise anyway.

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They’re gonna resurrect a magical rainbow teletubbie with the 7 gnosis