Two Real Example Cases of Treating Narcissism | DIANA DIAMOND

My mother is a narc and a psychoanalyst too! She has always manipulated the truth to fit her desired perspective. I came to the conclusion that it's either a brain malfunction or a spiritual matter. I don't believe she will ever change. It would take some kind of miracle.

Red flag!🚩 Was this architect or the pretty woman actually diagnosed by doctors as a patient with NPD? That is a diagnosis that is NOT so easy to get! What are you doing? “Presentation?” What are you doing? Is that a trick?
We all have narcissistic traits. I have one of mine showing right now, by attempting to call you out and disputing your claim, but there is a big difference between a person with narcissistic traits and a person with diagnosed NPD! What are you doing?
You are dangerous. Perhaps you are just giving narcissists better ammunition to deal out abuse with greater safety provided by therapist jargon.

These examples are strangely and confusedly bad (mild).

You can give them as much insight as you like, but they will always revert to type

There is no cure.
She knows this.
This woman is making a lot of money from treating an incurable condition.
She is involved in an academic exercise.
FOR YOU… you just recognise that you’re about to open a hurt locker.
Get the hell away from ANY abusive person.
It’s not a fight you can win.

The patients you mentioned seem to be capable of self reflection but pathological narcissists are not capable of self reflection so they are deemed untreatable.
They have no empathy and they enjoy seeing people suffer . It makes them feel almighty and powerful . That's a whole other level of psychopathy.

I would like to hear her talking about treating somatic covert/vulnerable narcissists.

With the second example, also a total absence of any concern for the feelings of the person she blatantly cheated on. No empathy. Even after the fact. No understanding of how she must have hurt that guy by leaving the party with another man. Even in therapy, her only concern was with herself.

Diary of a CEO should do a podcast with Diana

Personality disorders are so disgusting and complicated./complex Only answer =leave. I've already ran myself ragged learning all abuse terminology +staying in the relationship.

Diana Diamond is quite helpful here. I think we are all prone to lapsing into a little narcissism, some more than others. Either way, it's wonderful that Diana is providing help rather than giving up and attacking the narcissist. Thank you for posting this video.

Interesting. In other words people with narcissistic traits are drawn to people who are even bigger narcissists as themselves?

What a relieve!! To know there’s someone that does believe in recovery and not always a human being is a no hope being.. at least there are people who truly support the idea of the recovery… I wish my mother could have done something like this before absolutely destroying her life and psique.. and also destroying mine. My heart goes for all the humans in pain , lost inside and I wish them hope and help.. one day this pathology will be hopefully treated and many people saved from this terror. I know what I’m taking about sadly, it’s the most devastating thing..

She "got swept in to" spending the entire party with the other guy, as if by accident. Even this licensed psychologist can't allow a woman to take accountability for her own decisions. And that's because women are literally NOT CAPABLE of accepting responsibility for their slutty behavior. It's something they just can't do.

It doesn't matter how refined your personality is or how self-aware you think you are; if you're a woman, you very literally CAN'T take responsibility for your being a slut. It's something just isn't in you to do.

To be a woman is to be a narcissist.

"I can't understand why my spouse divorced me. I'm so wonderful and innocent. I'm here for depression."
"I can't understand why I treated my spouse the way I did. I'm here for depression."

I think it’s interesting how both of these two types of narcissists were both self sabotaging in their choices. Especially for short term and superficial self gratification. They literally threw away their lives for a “piece of pie” moment!

No one may count as unique or exceptional -- a recurring theme, from Freud, Adler and Horney and on to the latest generation of American shrinks. Why is that?

Object relations -- isn't that what Melanie Klein, a fabulously rich depressive with only high-school education and sadistic fantasies (who drove her son to suicide and her daughter to life-long estrangement) came up with?

Is obsessing over seeming talented and/or intelligent an indication of pathological narcissism in itself?

In early adulthood, what’s the difference (if there is one) between grandiosity and feeling a normal amount of dissatisfaction with your current life circumstances- perhaps career, location, relationship?
In order to learn what works for you to feel fulfilled, don’t you need to think somewhat idealistically about your dreams, skillset, opportunities?
Early adulthood also seems to be an unclear time period for my sense of “self” too. Since I am largely learning it. Therefore, it’s easy to think of hopes for my future in vague terms that don’t feel totally tangible or concrete.

I guess I am always interested in what is considered a healthy sense of confidence in one’s abilities/ awareness about one’s satisfaction vs what is deemed narcissistic/ grandiose?

Thank you! Great content on this channel.

This is a true therapist! Very empathic

Oh EXCELLENT. THE REAL DEAL. IN DEPTH ANALYSIS. 😌😊😌😊😌

So identifying the dominant object Relations is critical in this approach.

She’s good.

Nice grandiosity name drop doctor and look into your trump derange meant syndrome.

Special or uniques from the 8 Millon people on the earth. Entitled, exploitative of others, envious of others or believe others are envious of them. Cold empathy. Tfp so interesting. Kind of an object relations approach.

The stories r eye opening!!! My ex is one hope she gets help!!

Interesting 🤔 video

I used to think only bodybuilders were narcissists.


Now I realize EVERYBODY is a narcissist lol

Did she say the second patient was a vulnerable Narcissist and was swept up into the grandiosity and narcissism of the gentlemen who paid attention to her ????? So she labelled the woman by this example and ALSO A total stranger ! who showed her attention ( who she knows nothing about ) as a narcissist also ???
She was swept up in the “reflected grandiosity “ …?? a little overuse and overreach of clinical acumen I suggest

Is it possible that the therapists own experiences with men have manifested in a projective labelling of self importance in this second patient as a result of her beauty etc where there is likely more a strong histrionic need for attention ( hence the I don’t know what I did it except for insecurity and attention over rational intimacy )

personality traits are the first focus not
Object identification.

Which is part of a theoretical structure
and not that reliable in arriving at the labels we use in personality traits

I assume the therapist has a deeper set of data on her patient than this one story to draw her conclusion

I have found in my experience that before we label our patient too quickly ( in lieu of helping objectify with them) we need to be very aware of our own biases and patterns . We all have them

For instance a therapist(not referring to the professional in video ) that themselves is histrionic with their own esteem issues with obsessive compulsive personality type whom had a deep history of ultimate rejection and frustrated mastery would tend to project victimization and strong automatic Support for the objectivity of any patient whom had a personal history of being hurt in any way( many patients will come in with a story of this type ) … as a victim outright.

Certainly they feel victimized but the therapist Risks overly supporting ( Beyond unconditional acceptance) many subjective patterns of their patient whom they are tasked with objectifying and improving repetitive patterns in their life…
This highly specific example is a real one

Therapists greatest challenge is not always the Patient but themselves

This Grandiose diatribe 😊stimulated by what appeared to be an Overly simplified diagnostic certainly .

The slippery slope between self esteem, self love, and grandiosity is not really the purview of the therapist unless it is objectively clear.

The second example appears to be more consistent with histrionic traits( need for attention and to be the centre of attention )
than narcissism
Having “no idea why she did it “is more reflective of a histrionic need than the narcissistic grandiose expectation of special treatment

I feel the therapist has confused this by overly and quickly categorizing
in her clinical thinking ( at least in this example )
I admit she may have a more complete clinical picture that allows her to draw the conclusion the patient is grandiose and has a high expectation of special treatment

The vulnerable narcissist
is not usually perplexed at being rejected , they tend to have a very victimized perception
Which her patient did not appear to have .
She was more ignorant and perplexed that her need for the temporary attention of the other man should cause a break up rather than a sense of indignation at it ( classic vulnerable narcissist ).

Why does Donald trump come up on this channel so much ?? Very irresponsible to discuss this important topic utilizing such a divisive issue ( the media polar opposite treatment of a current leader ) Politicizing psychology is shameful Half the population are not trumps “willing executioners “ and this evidence of professionals mass delusion is an example of the danger of the soft science of psychopathology psychiatry and psychology in the hands of us “professionals “
- a mental health professional

Ps the topic and speaker is ow informative

The moment of choice:
1. The high of being very important vs keeping the gains of years of work
2. The high of being very loved vs having the stable lifestyle
Is it similar to the situation where; the cake is so delicious to eat vs regulated blood sugar level?

I feel that the first female case should go verbatim into a textbook.

These two patients Dr Diamond mentions have insight and were willing to come to therapy. The majority of NPD patients are hard core and will tell you to go for therapy, because they’re fine

Beautifully explained.. experienced therapist..

Nothing she said tells me those patients were able to change, she only mentions 1 moment of insight where their only response is "you are right"... doesn´t sound credible.

Getting a Narc to therapy and then getting them to continue therapy and then getting them to actually work on themselves and take responsibility for their actions other than blaming everyone else is the hard part.

I live in Pennsylvania. Where can I get therapy?

Diana, I love you but I think if my mom was to consult with you - you'd probably resign. Not that I don't trust your abilities but...she's the king of narcs

I wanna tell ya what's on my mind
But I'm hopin', baby, you can read between the lines
I got this vibe that I hope ain't true
But the things ya say don't line up with the things you do
I'm always waitin' for your shit to pass
And it's gettin' like I'm livin' life inside your ass

Cant listen to anything you say now because you're a ideologue. Obama, biden, trump are all narcissists. Being impartial in academia is a mark of intelligence. You should really know the dems are just as narcissistic.

Viewers may be interested to know that Diana Diamond serves as a faculty member at the Weill-Cornell Personality Disorders Institute, the clinical psychology PhD program at the City University of New York, and the NYU Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis

I disagree with the architect incident the therapist relayed. Lots of people talk off the record to the press. If it's a reputable news organization, his name will never be mentioned. It's deep background.
The architect should have gone to his bosses and seen whether he was allowed to talk off the record.

Much better than medcircle

Joe Rogan should have guests like this person.

This woman is better than Dr. Ramani.

“Reflected Grandiosity"
Thanks for this refreshing insight.