ICE vs EV - IN-DEPTH comparison of BATTERY ELECTRIC and INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE vehicles

A single-speed Transmission doesn't appear make a lot of sense, and on any EV is a 'compromise' and Porsche have started some of their EVs with two-speed Transmission Units. But, consider a Beetle that has been EV converted. In most cases, this retains its original 4-speed transmission. It has power, and a decent range too! 2nd gear will get you from zero to 100km/h. This represents most of your everyday driving, with 3rd gear selected for Motorway speeds. The best of both worlds, and I love mine. Greetings from Australia.

EV are not new, there are some from the early XX century. What allowed ICE to take off was the electric starter, and the convenience to instantly turn them on combined with petrol long range compared to lead-acid batteries. Then, advances in electronics and battery technology allowed better EV, but still, the greatest thing is the zero tailpipe emissions. However, in high density areas EV trams or metros should be implemented, because EV cars are no better for traffic congestion than any old ICE. Also trams and metros have all great advantages of EV without the need to carry around bulky batteries.

Thank you for a well balanced comparison. I didn't know ICE:s hand gotten so flat torque curves.

I recently bought a hybrid Passat and while it is in no way a racing car I must say that I like driving with an electric engine a lot. It feels very quick and responsive especially in city traffic. That from 0 max torque is a really cool feature that makes your car feel a lot more powerful than it really is.
Also most people who own an electric car charge it at home for commuting etc. so prices are usually lower than what you said, if you are lucky enough to have solar panels it's even better.
For the poorer parts of I hear that electric bikes are a big thing in cities.

Looking at the torque curves of EVs it seems to be they could benefit from 2- or 3- speed transmissions to keep them in the peak torque range at any speed. Also, with EVs run 7000+ RPM for 100 km/h wouldn't it also extend their range by running at lower RPM?

Programming the motor drive could change the dynamics of the driving sensation. Thanks for your video, on point as always.

The problem with EVs are that don't make engineering benefit and literally sold with down our throats with force by environmentalists just how COVID 19 vaccine and its origin was sold. If EVs were an inevitable revolution better than Conventional vehicle running with ICE the transition will be spontaneous just like how people left horse carriage for self propelled engines. The EV are part of the climate change histeria just like wind turbine, solar power plant and alike. Last time we checked EV energy supply depends on Coal power plant, nuclear power plant, hydropower plant and on green energy supply

This video will help me explain why I like ICE and EC at the same time to my naive friends so to say because I always find myself defending one or the other. Very much thanks to you becase now I just need to link this video for basic understanding and obviously for more.

An advantage you might’ve missed: traction control.
With an EV, you have direct control over how much torque and power you output and draw, with that near instant response at any point. This allows TCS to very quickly and accurately manage the torque output at the wheels for maximum grip at all times, even allowing for minuscule amounts of slip to maximize grip. On ICEs, there’s no direct control over torque. You can open the throttle, change timing, and do other stuff to get excellent response, but it just isn’t as millisecond quick as an electric motor. So ICE TCS can’t be as aggressive with grip levels as the EV since most of the time, all it can do is pull ignition timing to reduce torque, and it can only do that so many times a second, though quite a bit more mechanical give than the single speed transmission that EVs usually have.

I came here in search of EV to ICE torque comparison and you delivered almost everything I was looking for that I couldn't find elsewhere. Nice informative video. The little bit that I really am trying to get to is comparative motor to engine capacity size, especially for diesel as I want to be able to understand what size electric motor is a direct comparison to petrol and diesel engines for peak torque. Your M5 to Tesla model S was a cost of purchase comparison so obviously the EV had substantially higher peak torque, what size motor and battery does this have and what sizes would give equal peak torque to the ICE?

I loved "liquified dinosaurs", it's a very funny image, but in reality, oil is (by far) made from dead insects, plants, and moreover, bacteria, which constitute 99.9% of the biomass.

pretty sure tesla uses a pmac or brushless dc motor so....

CO2 is plant food, not a poison. CO2 levels were much higher in the past and did not cause run away greenhouse warming. In fact, heat drives rising co2 levels not the other way around. Temperatures are largely driven by the sun not humans.

You can use the starter to move with a newer car too if the clutch doesn't work. As me how I know

It's called the right hand rule, not the left hand :)

manual transmission toyota 4runners had this as a “clutch start/cancel” switch. It was fun.

I truly believe that we will need to quit burning dinosaurs eventually. That said, when I drive up to a customer’s house on the backside of beyond and the first thing I see is a u-joint clip I think it’s clear that people who do all their own wrenching aren’t ready for what’s coming.

Can you help me with my car

As someone who has just entered the EV scene and never claimed to be a "petrolhead", yet had several ICE driven cars, I'm really impressed by the objectiveness of your comparison, at least most of it. Really good, really to the task.

In your conclusion, however, thwre's a thing or two I'd like to add.

The rudeness and stereotype of ICE haters, as you claimed, is exactly found the pther way round whereever you deal with EV mainly, so we have a sort of unnecessary childish remis here.

Also, you spend little attention towards climatic change issues and carbon footprints, only in the very end. I think that's something we have to eatch pretty closely, especially while nrw types if batteries are coming up already, being way more environmentally neutral at least.

But I really want to thank you for not serving that "EVs easily turn into burning sensations" thingie.

For my part, I think the Combustion engine will walk that very path the Watt steam engine went - which would take it from the streets ultimately, but also would keep up it's benefits it had on mankind.

As you've said, we don't know the future. Thanks again for your objectiveness.

Ev transmissions…..it might be more appropriate to call them “starters”. So many likenesses. The only thing holding EVs back is battery weight. The only thing holding ICE engines back is they’ve reached the end of R&D without dramatic design innovation.

One significant drawback of EV and advantage of ICE is that our homes and places of business does not run off of gasoline. Maybe it's just me but I'm not fond of putting all of my eggs into one basket, especially when governments and markets are involved.

You made a terrible mistake with that fan picture. There is no electric fan in the world that has a commutator and brushes. They are used only in engines that are intended to operate for a relatively short period of time.

There is a company in Australia converting 70ton trucks over to electric using the truck standard transmission which allows it to tow more than twice that Tesla truck can and is being used now

Auto manufactures should look to the Steel industry and build a Cvt style transmission, those may not be the best but would be reliable as thats whats used in almost all steel mills and they run forever constant.Would also allow the Motor to stay at a constant speed and use the transmission to load of unload instead of the motor.

i have done it driving only on the starter but i did it because my clutch failed i was stuck in gear but after the engine was off i changed in the first ger and try so start the engine and drove my car in a parking space and called the ADAC and brought me and my t4 to the car reapir shop

if there is a like button that look like this --- Like x 1000 --- i will definitely hit this button for this video.

I'm a huge car nerd. Love motorsports, love V8s, any type of car.

But I just drove a Tesla model 3 performance and that instant torque is just something else and the tech is just a revolution compared other cars.

I hate this black and white side of this..

Although electric is in our future I hope there will be place for the smell of exhaust, fuel, oil and such. It's a part of growing up. Get greasy!😊

Shame batteries are toxic and require the rape of the earth for the raw materials, of which there is insufficient quantity.
Reality is CO2 = life! Fact.

EVs Are Around The Corner And ICE is Dead ask multiple governments.

EV's are not in their infancy and they came along long before ice powered vehicles. They suck for most everything the modern world needs to mantain it's lifestyle, therefore they never took off until the climate hoax pushers came along.

Boss you know too much, thanks for sharing

i was on lunch break from my job and saw a tessla dual motor and then realized we were racing and then i stomped on the pedal and pulled on the tessla and then gave up and went to the gas station.

EVs are expensive to buy compared to ICE vehicles. There are other issues not discussed here like range and how batteries don't like cold temperatures. I prefer ICE vehicles myself but my aversion to EVs is more to do with the reasons they are being introduced by the power structure. Not being a great believer in global warming, now climate change, due to the drop in temperatures in recent years, plus all the lies about various environmental phenomenon, it seems to be more about limiting travel and limiting the public's ability to buy vehicles.For the nay sayers look at 20 min cities and agenda 2030. If it wasn't for all that then I would have a more favourable attitude towards EVs. Most of the hype current;y surrounding EVs is just that, hype. Having said all that if an EV was made with a very light battery and a similar range to an ICE it may be a good thing.

My world peace wish is that the anti-EV guys and the anti-ICE guys could all get together, hold hands, and agree that hydrogen cars were, are, and always will be a greenwashing joke.

Moving the car on the starter used to be SOP if the car stalled in a dangerous place, such as a level crossing or a running lane of a motorway. Sadly, the clutch (or brake) interlock prevents this on most new cars. By the way, there is no need to remove the spark plugs.

And another Problem of EV's is the battery pack is Very expensive for example, the battery replacement cost of Tesla model s is around $12,000-$20,000 US dollars according to Google Search that's very expensive and very heavy weight, the biggest issue is that if one of the 6000 fails, the entire battery of lithium ion will put alot at risk of massive explosion. actually there is an EV Related incidents where One family instantly killed in one Single massive explosion of the one which causes of the entire family death and the house massively destroyed by the massive explosion. E-bike, the causes of E-bike explosion is the circuit protection fails to cut off the power supply when the battery is fully charged that's why the battery suddenly explode without signage badly destroys everything even the house itself. That's why I've never recommended EV specially it's made by Tesla's poor management to adress this issues. Instead i would go to Toyota's hydrogen fuel cells. Toyota mirai is one of the best.

Here's the problem with EV's as you cannot Bring theme into Off roads and or Extreme Conditions specially in high temperature locations, i will tell the truth that will shock the entire EV lovers. You cannot Bring EV's into floody areas next to petrol engines as they cannot handle the situation of accelerating while flooding that will caus your EV's to die as it's components are easy to damage by water entering inside. The biggest and worse scenarios having EV's Than ICE is..(Batteries) the main issue is battery. Its all battery, with extreme temperatures it will explode without any bunch of signs that will gonna explode. So you cannot predict when it's going to explode because it's like rubbery where you didn't notice that these rubbery enters to your house and where not predictable they steal alot of needs and or gadgets without notice. It is my logic and that's partially true.

That's a rare Volvo right there

Another point of comparison is repair cost after a collision. Even minor ones seem exorbitantly expensive for EVs for some reason. (Yes, I've read all the explanations, still doesn't make sense in many instances. Seems like a lot of lazy design in terms of repairability focus.)

Improving the efficiency of ICE engines has done more to reduce CO2 emissions than the relatively small number of EVs so far. Switching from SUVs and pickup truck (which how many people really need?) back to sporty sedans would do much more, and be more fun as well. I personally don't even own a car. I live close to downtown in a major city, so everything I need is within walking or biking distance, or by public transit. It used to be that you needed something like a truck or a station wagon to buy heavy stuff and lug it home, but now you can have it delivered. When I occasionally need to get somewhere fast I call Uber. Ownership means paying a bunch of money up front, then making payments, paying for insurance, fuel, maintenance, parking, etc: it's just not worth it. For long-distance trips, I either fly or take the train, then rent a car at the other end. I took my son on a grand tour of Europe, flying to London, then Paris, where I bought a brand-new Peugeot on a rent-to-buy scheme, drove it all over the place, then returned it, all for less than the cost of a rental car. If you must have an SUV or a pickup, you could get a small EV commuter car and leave your ICE vehicle in the garage until needed. The point is, it's not either-or.

I admire your patience, nevertheless EV are old as petrol engine.

Why don't they make a car with a weak electric motor and include a Manual transmission? ( or AMT cause motors don't need clutches )