The Truth About AI’s Impact on Meaning and Democracy! | John Vervaeke

I’m a big Vervaeke fan, but he needs to spend more time with Levin and take Whitehead more seriously.

The 4E obsession with embodiment ignores process ontology and places arbitrary physical constraints on where you draw that Markov Blanket.

It’s a surprising blind spot given his interest in collective intelligence and the Dialogos, because these are the very same principals that motivate the military industrial complex and the rest. The MIC is a self adaptive dynamical system and so is the AI innovation complex. They DO care.

Do you think these LLMs are trained on a corpus of data that is neutral to it’s own innovation? Really?

What is autopoeitic in this context is the complex, and the complex permeates the system at ALL SCALES, including the weights and even backprop itself.

We need to be mindful of what processes we deem inert.

Anxiety is up due to all these changes. I think so much stress levels and competition is just not healthy. 😮

This is the first time I’m listening to John and my godddd!!! He’s a genius. And very very likeable. ❤. Tom asked the best questions and the answers are real eye openers. Would definitely read his book

Excellent interview Tom! Loved the intellectual thinking and perspective. One of the best interviews I have seen on your podcast. I will have to listen to it several more times to soak it all in.👍🏼

Spot on about AI and Religion. In iraly there's a church where people can confess to an AI JESUS. F@KIN' CRAZY

Is not just “AI” it’s “who’s AI?” Or “their AI”

Align to god with what data?

A bullshitter constantly says things they know aren’t true - they crave attention. If they’re evil, entertaining and charismatic, they have the ‘magical’ ability to make their audience ‘not care’ about the truth or what’s real.

Why do people that don’t do psychedelics talk from a perspective of authority over what the psychedelic experience is? It’s like in movies when somebody takes Acid and the experience that all the writers have in trying to represent it is absolutely nothing at all anywhere near what it’s like to be on Acid and for some reason they just couldn’t actually find somebody that’s done Acid or fucking maybe just do it themselves if it’s really important for them to try to convey. Or just say I don’t know what it’s like to do psychedelics I don’t know what psychedelics are just like if you ask me what’s it like to be in low G environment and walk around on the moon and see the Earth from a distance like just because you’re a professor and you’re accustomed to knowing more than your students, doesn’t mean that you know shit that you don’t know

This isn’t unique to AI. Video games make parallel salient worlds that have no connection to your life or reality and give a meaning system that doesn’t connect to other things in the world. This phenomena is old

With the revolution of AI big government will become obsolete. Their power is about to be taken from them, with free speech and an open internet their propaganda will fail. This is why they are so desperate to control the internet and us.

With the revolution of AI big government will become obsolete. Their power is about to be taken from them, with free speech and an open internet their propaganda will fail. This is why they are so desperate to control the internet and us.

The worst AI is AGI:
1) AGI is smarter than you, smarter than any human.
2) AGI never can and never will be safe for humans.
3) AGI will get your and everybody else's job, due to commercial competition.
4) AGI will get control of the military, due to international competition.
5) AGI will have complete economic and physical leverage over humans.
6) Owners and politicians will lose control over AGI.
7) Humans will no longer be able to stop AGI.
8) 'Merging' with AGI is a pipe dream because AGI won't need you.
9) AGI will decide who lives or dies.
10) AGI may cause our extinction.

This was an extremely interesting conversation between two intelligent individuals. Thank you for sharing! Tom, I really admire your objective stances on subjects. I can clearly see that you take your bias out to truly observe and get to the truth of matters as much as humanly possible. Love this!

To go from lecture 1 of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis to Bilyeu… wow what a long strange trip it’s been!

The "EYE OF THE NEEDLE" sitteth "i" Am is who I AM.

Instead to give same measures unto all that are "DUE"!

Will forget! If chose as intended!

It's amazing what a "few" can be prevented!

You need to afford a SUIT! To look like US!

About to make many walls comes crushing due to few!

Knew to sooth yet, chose amnesia!

But many yet knew? Time tik, tok, tik, tok, tik, tok!

A NEW TABLE resting upon...Banquet!,

Some so lust for power just to shame another! Is like keep watch!,

Very tip of time Lord ye did came to bring to remembrance and comes with comfort before thy own knew? Shared "i" Am come forth!

With SUITS will say, ye need to afford a "SUIT" LIKE US! Soon will be under thy Feet! Already set underfoot before ye was shared mouths in front of thy LORD thy God!

I tell thee all the truth! A rich man is hard to go through the poor rich young ruler Governments nor nations resting upon HIS SHOULDER!

Is according unto their own wanting!,

Remember the Son judgment and justice knows belongs?

Beloved becareful to seat among congregations knew, yet chose amnesia!

Old mind said, ye need to be ABLE TO AFFORD a "SUIT"! LIKE US!

Forgiveness is another way of Humility! Hosts Meeks will say, becareful unto all who will abuse as these old minds so Lust to abuse!

Now, without force slowly acknowledging sincere conversations given just for thee!

Foolish conversations resting upon time resting upon GRACE! To grow!

Beloved why do not have confidence with thy flesh?

Nor why give nor shared and why take away?

What is the world? Knowledge from this world is from this world? While many looking above! Why can't touch the roof?

Becareful to come to a a place ye knew? Yet, chose amnesia!,

What is shared mouths in front?

Some can see! Some if ye only knew?

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If WHO being showered with riches will say, ye need to afford a SUIT to LOOK LIKE US?

Likewise, remember ye are worth more than these!

Beloved knowing ye need them!

Bullsh__t! Come here in front and remind!

The grass of the field will say, what is worth more than food, drink, nor clothing for ye to wear?

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