Is "AMDip" Real? - AMD vs Intel CPU Consistency

7800x3d is best gaming gpu for 99% of gamers. That 1% are people who spent 5000$ on gaming rig to get every possible fps. I am still happy with 5800x3d..

I had random lag until a bios update fixed the issue for me. The AGESA 1207 mentions this. It was intermittent and not too bad but so nice that it's gone!

You know nothing about technology, child.

Does AMD use fewer checksums than Intel and if so, does it result in more execution errors?

That sounds like some Intel FUD bullshit

When are people going to just enjoy playing games. 🙄

You really should not test CPU consistency at highest settings in 4K. Also you should get the most complex difficult scenarios in a gaming title, that's where AMD goes down. If there are 10 people around you shooting, throwing grenades,... Then you'll see a big drop in 1% low with AMD when a 14700K/14900K stays stable :)

Why didn't you use the 14900k?

It’s real

intel fanboys are not gonna like this video haha

AMDip fanboys coping here is hilarious

The AMDip problem comes from the FCLK & CCD & IOD voltages. When you push FCLK to higher frequencies. It seems like the CCD& IOD voltages need to be tuned like a radio to find the right voltages to stop micro stutters. I got rid of mine when I did a BIOS update on my b650 aorus pro ax. Using F21 I was able to easily overclock to 8000-36-45 @ 1.5v, 1.05vsoc with XMP 6400mhz hynix a die ram. Now with 2200fclk i have zero issues& super smooth frame times using CCD @ 911mv & IOD @ 1047.

Never heard of or seen it happen with my three-month-old 7800x3d with OLOy 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz. No OC applied to the CPU (I think the max that can be gained is 5050 Mhz no matter what), only to my MSI Ventus RTX 4070 Ti, which is mildly set by MSI AB. No complaints, no dips, no errs...

This isn't how to test this.. you need to be running realtime frametime + mouse whip = you can visually see the spikes in realtime frametime graph.

You should ask Jufes about AMD Dip

The idea of AMDip is not really something you can catch with benchmarking. AMDip is all about fast movements with the mouse in random areas of games. It is not just tied to the CPU either it is common in the gpus as well. If you have both in your system with fast twitching movements it can be more obvious, but can be also be found in just the AMD cpu’s.

What you said about overclocking AMD cpus i think really is the main point. With Intel it seems that overclocking doesn’t affect its stability it makes it stronger, when done correctly. And with AMD it gets more unstable no matter what. so that could make the dip even more obvious any why people are talking about it so much these days, they are trying to OC their AMD cpu’s and ram.

So no all core negative CO and maxed out Loadline??

Not trying to attack nvidia fans but a nvidia fanboy probably made this up 😂

Me with my 7800X3D just blazing through games 🤷

AMDIP is from frame chasers YT channel. He is comparing max overclocked 13900K at 6Ghz with 8Ghz ram vs 7800X3D also tuned at max. Intel can gain alot of performance from OC and tuning. AMD on other hand not really.
Btw testing cpus at 4k not great idea.

Intel fanboys are jealous of AMD.
because Intel generations 13 and 14 are Alder Lake Refresh with extra E core.
and some news is that Intel will launch another Refresh for desktop PC CPU in 2025 ~
🤣🤣

Undervolting X3D -30 is a godsend idgaf but I do keep expo off on my 7800x3d/ 32gb ddr5 6000 cl30 on xmp ofc

@GraphicallyChallenged As far as I know, this "AMDip" came from Frame Chasers, a guy that is bad at RAM OC and tells people that their RAM OC is fine as long as it is stable in the games they play (dedicated stability tests do not matter...). Badly-tuned RAM can lead to stutters and inconsistencies in games and other applications.
I disagree with telling people not to overclock/undervolt their X3D CPUs though, you just have to do it right, and no, they do not really operate at the edge, they often have very high Curve Optimizer margins.

I had plenty of issues with the 7800X3D so much i returned it. The only thing i did was using EXPO timings. It was on the vendor list the ram and was AMD optimised. 1th set did not boot after 2 hours. 2nd set was very unstable after 24 hours.

1th set was using ddr5 5600 mhz Corsair AMD ram. 2nd was using Corsair 6000 mhz AMD ram. And 2 times such huge issues is not acceptable! After the 2nd set became unstable after using EXPO i disabled it and used stock ram(4800 mhz i believe it was) and it would DIP down so much...like cinebench R23 would be between 1000 and 7200 points...wich make no scence.

The next day i just returned the 2nd set without looking further as the 1th set was not even booting is such short period of time. In both cases it was paired with the MSI Mag Tomahawk B650 motherboard. And using a 850 Corsair Platinum PSU that is currently poewering my 4080 Super with my new Intel I7-14700KF and 6000 mhz XMP enabled ram without any issues already for over 2 months!

So yeah, to me AMDip is very real! Also the dip can be random unresponsiveness when coming out of sleep state, and ingame on certain points, like a lot of buildings and so on. I had the Ryzen 9 5900X for 2 years wich worked okay, but sometimes did not boot and had some huge dips. Also USB random did not work with the AM4 platform, even using the latest BIOS update on a Asus ROG Strix X570 motherboard.

AMD chipset drivers and GPU drivers(Had a 5700XT, 6800XT and a 7900XT and all GPU's had driver issues from time to time. 7900XT and 5700XT had the most issues. 7900XT crashing out of World of warcraft with a driver timeout message. Sometimes it went ok for days, and sometimes 5 crashes in 1 hour.

I did use DDU and even fresh Windows installs without any luck.
Now with my Intel system no issues sofar i use it a bit over 2 months now not once! The Nvidia card is very short in use. I bought the 4070TI S and traded it in for a 4080 S as i was able to get them both at MSRP and got the Asus Tuf Gaming cards wich are amazing in temps and low noise!

My 7900XT was also a Asus Tuf Gaming and not really noisy but was very much to be noticed when gaming when both Nvidia cards are not! They stay quiet under load and silent bios as i used the silent bios on the AMD card as well.

Also temps are so much better. Hotspot is like 10c difference with the Nvidia cards, while the AMD card was able to make a 35c difference!!! And i don't think it was defective it's just the CCD's and other stuff that AMD has. It has a reason they use monolithic dies. It's not like Intel and Nvidia can't make them as well, but the latency penalty is there.

And most of the time you probably don't notice it, but i had plenty of AMDip's over the years where it just was not responding for like a 10th of a sec or longer. That did not happen to my Intel system. So i stopped buying AMD through all the ordeals i went through over the years. I tried to like AMD as much as i could.

Just look at the latest driver update with FG from AMD multiple users had to reroll the driver because they got black screens and so on. Something typical AMD where half or their released drivers causes a lot of issues.

Nvidia has once in 30 drivers a bad one and corrects that very fast where AMD is hit and miss all the time.

Amd haters are something else lol 😂

You’re trying to debunk something, when you don’t understand how, or which situations it happens under.. This is dumbest thing I’ve seen this month 😂 And by the way it’s not the architecture that’s faulty, it’s the chiplet design. Unless Intel has figured out how to deal with this issue their CPUs are going to have the same problems in a generation or two. It’s not about brand loyalty guys..

Hairchaser simply is incompetent and he can't for his life do proper testing and check if IF is stable (most of his dips if they really do exist come from IF clocked higher than it should be with error correction kicking in). If anyone experiences such things, you should fire up some memory stress test (i.e. ycruncher) and play music in parralel in your browser or with your fav player. You'd almost immediately hear if something is wrong.

Potential issue with dual CCD, non 3D-stacked AMD CPU's. Tests with a Single CCD and 3D Cache CPU. Congratulations. You have proven nothing

For me, the biggest problem with Ryzen is its idle power usage.
When you doing normal things like using the Internet, watching YT, or doing anything outside heavy CPU loads Intel CPUs are using 8-9W of power while AMD is using 40-50W.
The only huge difference is when you are doing a stress test with 100% CPU utilization but this never happens in the real-life scenario and with normal PC usage.
Also worth mentioning is that this amdip happens on 2 ccd CPUs where processes are wrongly distributed between them.

Errmmm undervolt your 5800xd3 temps go down frame rate goes up 👆 negative offset two steps i offset three constant 4.45 ghz all core 😎👍

You didn't compare with the 7950X3D which has 2 CCDs vs one in the 7800X3D

7800x3d is worst cpu to test. 2 ccd cpu needed. Especially 5900x.

I'm sorry, but what does the chart mean by "Min"? How can the actual "Minimum" be higher than a 1% or 0.1% of the chart?

Hello! 5800X3D user here and I can confirm that I am able to use it with CO -30 on all cores totally stable in all scenarios (productivity+gaming). I might be somewhat lucky, but it is possible to undervolt X3D chips as well as a non-3D V-cache chip would. 👌 Silicon lottery is there for any chip, no matter the chip technologies used.

Why are you using a 12900k instead of a 139/14900k, both of which have more cache and slightly higher clock speeds. Also the AMDip occurs on cpu's using multiple CCD's.

Could be using a dodgy powerpack or one that has capacitor issues that does cause performance dip issues noticed that with a few retro Athlon builds while the chips was perfect the PSU's were aged after replacement there was zero issues with the builds also bloat ware or software like some anti virus scanning soft wares that can interrupt other software running it will drag a PC down

In another comparison for Intel Haswell Family, a i5 4690 presenting 1% low & 0,1% low score points way better than his sibling i7 4790

I did not experience any amd dips, but what I have experienced in warzone on am5 with amd gpus 6590xt and 7900xtx is supbar perf. Somethign with that am5 and amd gpu combination causes the cpu to perform like zen3 cpus, went back to the cheapest lga1700 octacore cpu I could find from the 7800x3d and have waaay more fps than with the 7800x3d and 7600.

I could get to 180fps in resurgence modes( ashika island) but most often it was at the 120-140fps. pure crap, when an 12700k is outputting 220+(220-280) fps at the same settings 1080p low. who wants to "compete" with less than 200fps in a game such as wz/bf? makes no sense to run at 4k as the sutters and such will disappear as u dont make the cpu the bottleneck with such a beast of gpu like the 4090. over 300 to 400fps with that card and it will be far easier to spot fps dipps or even stutters ie a bottleneck in the system.

Amd fanbois always claim such issues are user error, but well if you have every drivers new, and even os and still get issues with all the bioses avaible at the time then I doubt I would call it user error.(been a hw enthusiast since mid 90s) had probably 10 systems since 2020 till now.

Anyway, why run the tests in 4k in a competitive game such as wz... 1080p or 1440p low ore low with high textures...
and why 6400 sticks on the intel, just run max on all, for me right now on a crappy asus z690 prime it is 6800, on my am5 I could even then run 6400 on an asus rog strix b650e itx, and 6000 on the crappy b650 prime wifi.

And there is one thing I have experienced in computer gaming that was a big wow for me in competitive gaming scene, and that is to play with an 8k mouse, not only does it improve my gameplay, ie it is as if when one changed from 60hz to a high refresh rate monitor, but it also increases the game load. from around 60-70% to 80-90% and above with the 8k polling rate on the mouse, which can sometimes result in stutters in gaming even though the fps(onscreen) are the same as before the stutters. Will have to dig deeper with a proper reporting tool to see if the 1% numbers are affected during the stutters but every reviewer need to run an 8k mouse when they test a game now because of how taxing it is(according to me)

Amd am5 is supporting multiple generations. Am4 was supported for 7 or 8 years. Upgrading is just dropping in a new cpu after a bios update and maybe a new cooler if you go higher than an r5.

Intell upgrade costs you a whole new platform except ram and that costs you double.

Ofcourse budget oriented gamers are going amd. Most of us ain't earning 100k a year. Most gamers are blue collar workers and we do not want to spend extra money if we can spend it on our kids.

Intell shills and paid commenters ofcourse have to badmouth amd. Its at least 50% more expensive and you have to buy a new mobo. This is a lot of money intell is missing out on.

the amdip happens on 2 ccd cpus when the thread is moved to the ccd that doesnt have the data in the cache

Nice.

QVL lists dont matter

Hmmm, well back on my old Ryzen 1800x I DID have these weird dips, like a hiccup almost, it really only noticeable in VR though, but it being in VR it was also really uncomfortable.

I noticed the delay opening programs in windows frame chasers was on about with my 5800x3d (I was using windows 11). I recently reinstalled windows and my system is so much snappier so wondering if something has been updated that helps. In gaming I’ve never really had an issue. 1% lows were significantly better with my 5800x3d cpu vs my 5800x.

If there is some kind of frame dips on either company's CPU, it's due to a game specific bug, or you have some garbage running in the background, you can thank Microsoft for most of the frame dips usually.

the dip is real, but its not a big deal. its only under certain circumstances in particular areas of games. if you went to these particular areas in games and hopped on one foot while touching your nose with your right index finger, you could make it studder. im on a 9900k right now, and if i had to upgrade i would probably go with a 7800x3d.

This topic is a fanboy topic. Move on. Nothing to see here.

So called over clockers hitting power limits and not understanding what is really happening...also jedec memory timings are needed for fair comparison