Did Frodo and Master Samwise meet again in the Undying Lands? | Tolkien Explained - Hobbit Day 2021!

Bilbo stepped off of the ship in Aman, walked through it to the Halls of Mandos, and from there to the Farthest Shore, and from there into the Timeless Halls.

Frodo waited Valinor for Sam, and upon his arrival they walked the same path.

I like to think that Sam and Frodo has one more evening, perhaps with a bottle of old Winyards, stowed away by Frodo, on the shores of Valinor, laughing and reminiscing about the times they share.

I think because Frodo was called and welcomed to travel the Straight Road he did not find weariness and withering in the Undying Lands, but healing and joy for the rest of his natural life. And that life span included meeting Sam again before the end. After which, Sam, being younger, lingered a while to hear all the tales and songs the elves could share, his great reward and bliss, before his passing out of the world.

Frodo and Bilbo are going to Aman to be healed, even Sam who only held the One for a short time. The One Ring is hideously, poisonously evil. Sauron poured much of his own power, maybe even his "soul" or being into it to master the Three elven rings. Even though hobbits are naturally resistant, and Frodo took it with the best of intentions, no mortal could ever resist it. Galadriel and Gandalf won't even touch the damn thing. To heal their spirits, the hobbits all need time in the Blessed Realm.
Bilbo held the One the longest, Frodo was most harmed by it, and even Sam was tempted by it. I've always assumed that at some point, when they've healed, they all move on to the Halls of Men, and eventually, like men, leave this world. Of course, Bilbo, Frodo and Sam all see one another again. And, maybe, they all leave together too.

My own take would be that some sort of 'dispensation' was given to Frodo, Bilbo, and Sam by Eru Himself via Manwe, which did two things; first, lifespans extended for the purpose of healing, and secondly, the ability to, like Aragorn, pass away at will.

It's obvious that Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, and Gimli most likely did not go on to the Halls of Mandos with subsequent reincarnation. Unless an exception was made that a select few did get the elven life cycle 'green card' which is part of the ambiguity. With that said - I am sure Frodo and Sam did meet again. Yet again - whether they did or did not is left up to the reader to decide.

Numenoreans themselves were granted longer lifespans than other Men even without going all the way to Aman. The Valar and/or Eru being able to grant extended life, as in the grand scheme of things this does not change very much about the fate of the spirit. Longevity and immortality are different things. The Men of Numenor still shared the Gift of Men with the shorter-lived humans of Middle Earth. Which is why they came to resent the Elves and the Ainur. But what this comes down to is that Bilbo, Frodo, Sam and Gimli might have lived a bit longer in Aman as a reward for their actions. Much as the Numenroeans were gifted with longer lives for their ancient service against the Darkness.

Oh yeah Sam and frodo spent their's finally days reaching around each others.

I definitely would like to know more about frodo and the others that went there, were they buried, like something extravagant like a giant mausoleum or something

In my opinion, if anyone in the world deserved divine intervention it would be the two who saved it. There is a Canon precedent for God granting a mortal immortality. If he did it in one case, I believe he would do it for others.

i'd wish that tolkien not even allowed himself for thinking of an answer. though i'd also wish for him to live longer to continue his immeasurable universe just a bit further

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it s completly insane to think frodo was alreary dead when sam arrived in valinor... yes eru is the only one able to give immortality to a mortal but the power of sauron was able to:give golum 500+ additional years of life... so what could do manwe or the valars combined? maybe thousands years if they wanted... so the few decades frodo needed to wait sam was probably not a problem for the valars

My personal thoughts on it:
Frodo and Bilbo are allowed to see/visit Valinor, but live in Tol Eressea. Bilbo passes peacefully not too long after they arrive [Maybe 2 years or so]. Frodo lives the next 60 years in relative peace and comfort, and whilst not removed entirely, his wounds do not trouble him much. Sam comes along, and is able to dwell with his master for a time before Frodo passes, with Sam [similar to Arwen] choosing to depart beyond the circles of the world not long after their loved one's passing. Legolas and Gimli repeat the process when they arrive, with Gimli passing after a few years and going to join all the mortals [I'm going to say that Dwarves and Men/Hobbits go to the same place]. Seems a fitting end to me.

Tbh, beyond the circles sounds more fun than the Halls of Mandos. All the mortal heroes of the world gathered together [Valhalla without the war culture in my mind], idk, halls of mandos seems a bit more depressing in my mind.

What bothers me about the Valar is that Bilbo, Mostly Frodo and somewhat Sam hold a ring with powers far beyond them. Powers that only few can handle. Little Hobbits just minding there business get thrusted into an eternal battle that started with Valar vs. Melkor. Good job Frodo, Bilbo and Sam for using all of your Hobbit strength to defeat a Servant of Melkor, however your fate is still death, while the rest of the Elves fled and they get to live on with us until end of time. I mean really no one went to Eru and said "Hey can we give them a pass, look at what they have done"

"Don't go where I can't follow" I definitely believe they met again and also I discovered the unpublished epilogue recently and how Sam told his secret to Elanor that Frodo had said to him that his time would come to go there too and Sam could wait for that day. I believe the elves would accommodate Frodo and Sam's reunion there. Frodo would not have said such things or given false hope if he were not there when Sam arrived. I like to believe that Frodo found his peace and healing and waited for Sam as Sam did him. Other people in the comments have written better analysis but basically I've always believed they reunite there, no matter for how long.

I'd like to think that all of the mortals that ended up in tol eressea saw each other before passing. Not bilbo he was super old already.
Although I dunno when exactly gimli shows up... being a dwarf he lived alot longer than Hobbits. But I'd like to think Sam frodo gimli and legolas got to see each other before the mortals died.

I believe they met again, and then, as they journeyed together to Mordor, they took the final journey together as well.

As for Gimli. Im sure he spent his last days as a dwarf of his nature would, making beautiful things to show his love of the beauty around him.

I think that the Valar gave them "special grace" which allowed Bilbo, Frodo and Sam to heal so they could live full lives, but eventually embracing the "gift of men" (mortality) and leave the circles of the world. Gimli would also receive that grace so that he could be with Legolas and also look upon the beauty that is Galadriel. As he is a creation of Aule, (with Eru giving the Dwarves life with the flame imperishable) he may have that opportunity to stay in the Undying lands until the world is remade

I personally don't think Frodo made it. It was a terrible burden after all. You saw how fast Bilbo declined after relinquishing the ring. I think Bilbo and Frodo went there to get their spirits healed, and be at peace on their deathbed. I think if they didn't go, there would have been a high likeliness of becoming a lingering/tortured spirit or wraith with a possible curse from Sarumon. And I think Sam went to see the end of Frodo's journey and be buried with his best friend.

Thank you for understanding the story. It's a little annoying how many casual fans just assume, boom, the Fellowship "live forever", because Undying Lands. No. (Except for Legolas.) The hobbits and Gimli were granted dispensation to visit and die peacefully there. For Frodo, it was rather like hospice, I'd imagine. (Actually, I don't have to imagine, unfortunately.) If people need to believe Frodo and Sam meet again in the Undying Lands, fine, but Frodo was mortally wounded, so it's unlikely. The main point, though, is that the Middle-Earth gods didn't make anyone immortal as a "reward". Without sacrifice, the story loses poignancy, maybe even its whole point.

Good vid, keep the good work.

Maybe all the non-elves that go to the undying lands are on the brink of death, hence being given the special permission to go there. Their death will come before they have a chance to experience the negative effects of mortals living in the undying lands. Frodo was the only one who wasn't old when he sailed to the undying lands, but he was hurt/sick. Everyone else was fairly old when they set out. Just a quick thought.

I've come to accept the imagination of my thinking, that frodo and samwise did meet one last time, only to have unimaginably brief. For it is an area of healing and restoration, but never to return to middle earth. Just as Tolkien suggested without telling us.

the lord of the rings trilogy was immensely entertaining ,conjuring all the emotions and a mix of them, but the appendices where (Imo) extremely interesting, informative and equally entertaining and I recommend reading them after the main story ends.its like two books in one.J.R.R.T. most definitely created a whole world and heaven.

Here is another possibility: perhaps the Valar granted an extended lifespan to Frodo and Sam, in recognition of their great service in defence of the free peoples of Middle Earth and the overthrow of Sauron. After all, they did this for the Dunedain who had fought with the Eldar against Morgoth, during the First Age. It's true, the message of Manwe to the Numenoreans warns that mortals would "wither and grow weary" in the strong light of Aman - but I think this may refer to Valinor itself, where the Valar themselves reside, as opposed to Tol Eressea, which is inhabited only by Elves. In any case, it's hard to believe that Frodo and Sam would have been granted the great privilege of passage to the undying lands, if this would inevitably result in weariness, suffering and untimely death! It's made very clear, on the contrary, that this journey is a blessing for them and an opportunity for healing and recovery. For these reasons, it seems more likely than not that Frodo and Sam were indeed reunited in Tol Eressea.

I think that the hobits and Gimli who travelled to the undying lands where healed and lived in peace for a very long time there, before they died. Why would they be brought there to directly die. Then they could have done that in Middle Earth. Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond where different. Maybe with the exception on Elrond who was an half elf. But Gandalf and Galadriel "went home" since they were immortal.

I’ve always sort of believed that the fellowship all waited for each other in Valinor and that once their meeting was complete, the ring bearers were allowed direct entrance to the Halls of Mandos. . . Sort of as if they went to whatever is next but were rewarded with not having to “die“ to get there.

Good Analysis, thank you

If the only outcome of going to Valinor was to wither, it scarcely seems worth the trouble. I suspect they did meet again, but spent most of their time sleeping a wholesome, healing sleep that returns their youth and strength, so that they can return for Dagor Dagorath -- somewhat like Holger Danske. There would be some irony to this; they would be a kind of holy version of the unholy things the Barrow Wight tried to make them.

Three things you should have considered: 1) Arwen Undomiel, herself, passed her gift of staying a limited immortal to Frodo. This gift was first given to Elrond and Elros when they had to choose the paths of their souls upon dying. Their descendants were then given the same choice. Elrond chose to be tied to the fate of the elves and Elros chose to be tied to the fate of Men. Tolkein stated that Arwen was the second elf to choose as her ancestor did and remain with her husband. The ancestor in her case was Luthien Tinuvial. 2)Gandalf, himself, said that Bilbo, Frodo AND Sam had been marked/changed by the Ring forever as had the wearers of the 3 elven rings. Because of this they would be allowed to go to the Undying Lands as a reward for their service to the cause of Good. 3) In the appendix that stated the fates of the Fellowship of the Ring in after years Frodo (and Bilbo) was said to have arrived at the Undying Lands and taken to the Gardens of Nienna by Gandalf and healed of the injuries he suffered from the Witch King and from Shelob.

They met and shared together the undying lands, and live there yet

Frodo and Sam both lived in the undying lans until the last battle, yet to be fought. They are destined to be mortal , and must at some point in the life of Arda die, but the the Valor has grace to extend life or postpone death

Without watching the video, I will say that I HOPE they met again, but consider:
Frodo was so damaged by his injuries and experiences that he might not have lived that long.
Tolkien very vaguely hinted at this possibility.
Of course we cannot know because no report came from the West after Sam's departure.

I'd like to point out the reason I don't think Frodo and Bilbo (and for that matter, Sam, or Gimli) would have withered in the Uttermost West: They had permission to go. The Numenoreans who spoke out against The Ban of the Valar had no such leave, and would have ultimately found it a torment. Meanwhile, I can see Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, and Gimli at ease, enjoying their final days alive in the Hallowed Lands, untroubled by the aches and pains of old wounds and old age.

I'm reminded of the apple tree from C.S. Lewis's _The Magician's Nephew_, whose apples would give you Life--but if you ate them without leave, that life would become torment. If, however, you got permission (Digory got permission to feed one to his mom), that life would be good. Remember, if Digory hadn't gotten permission, there would come a time where both he and his mother wished she'd died.

Wow, I've watched many of your videos, and this is the one that brought tears to my eyes. Bravo!

Gandalf at one point saw that frodo would become a wraith like being but filled with a clear light.

So he may no longer be mortal in the normal sense.

I used to read hobbit and LOTR to my children My son's birthday was September 24 He wanted to change his birthday to September 22 just like Billbo and Frodo

They may have offered healing to Frodo. The damage from the evil he indured was not the same as Turin's. The Valar do seem able to change the fates of individuals that come to thier land after world changing events. I like to think the matter of a few years could also be made up by the land itself because the say "it would be of "little' help" meaning it would help but not much. Also the ring could have prolonged his life in some way even after its destruction as surley as his wound still hurt him and merry and pippen grew permanetly taller. They don't have to meet but I think Sams presence would be more healing than anything the Valar could come with. They might know that and orchestrate that thru wind and dreams to inspire Sam with the achknowledgment he has the right to pass into the West and the slight bending of mortal fate. I think they would still be mortal though.

The good thing about books is that you can fill in any missing information in any way that makes you happy.

A world I wish to live in!

I don't suppose you'd be forthcoming with your fanfic handle...just out of curiosity...

There's an article somewhere entitled, What Tolkien Thought of Bilbo and Frodo." In one of his letters Tolkien says that, "Frodo must eventually, 'pass away.' He also says something about Frodo being no longer a Hobbit, having been, "broken by a burden of horror and fear and remade into something quite different." I always imagine Frodo as a person who is very graceful (and gracious) who belongs in a fairy tail and not in real life.
Most of Tolkien's heroes are exceptional people who die when they are still legendary - not yet old and senile. Think of Aragorn, Hurín, Turín, and Beren.
But even if I do believe that Frodo dies not long after Bilbo, I think Tolkien would have them all reunite in another life, including Rose and Frodo's parents.

I reckon Tol Eressea isn't in Valinor "the first flowers to bloom outside the undying lands" (paraphrasing) and the desire and pride of the Numenoreans who wanted immortality for themselves wasn't shared by Frodo etc so they wouldn't suffer the negative effects from that. Also Frodo was "meant to have the ring" etc - "meant" by the plan of the Valar/a higher power as hinted by Gandalf, so he and Bilbo and the others were favoured by the Valar a little bit like Tuor...so F & B would have a nice long time on Tol Eressea and probably Gandalf/Olorin would drop by regularly, then Sam would come over and meet them and be there together to welcome Gimli and Legolas before they died...that's what I took from it

I like to think that the hobbits did indeed become immortal, or at least live a greatly extended life, and have the opportunity to reunite.

But Bilbo was ancient so did he die shortly after he arrived? If not then his lifespan was extended.

This may not be the proper forum, but what of Radagast and the Blue wizards?

Frodo and Sam may have lived between when christ walked the outer esrth and the time when Rome was over ran by the Mongolian hordes.

Hw may have met frodo again and lived out his life even after frodo died and he may have seen the coming of king Arthur reign from the begining. Just a theory Id say.

Valinor? No. Eressea? Yes.

Mortals could not set foot on the mainland. And, as Tolkien explained, it wasn't the land of the Deathless that made them deathless. In fact, a mortal there would age FASTER and die sooner.