PinePhone Pro is HERE — A worthy upgrade from iOS & Android!?

Excellent video and much appreciated from Doha. Can you use normal social apps like WhatApp, Messenger, Skype, Teams, Zoom, Google Meet in regular basis?

I have always loved the pinephones, for running a normal linux os on them, since this allows running actual full software and more custom controll and such.
also it can run softwares from other operating systems like android, ios, windows, bsd, ds, ps1, etc.

however currently I am mostly excited about the pinedio lora, even though I hope they will embed it in the next generation of the pinephone since that would cause a wide adoption of lora and probably also lora mesh networking, which essentially is like a decentralized version of mobile networks allowing uncontrolled, uncensored, and subscription free and not having to depend on infrastructure or hoping there is not power outage at the cellphone tower, way of mobile communication.
if the pinephone next / pinephone 2 would use it by default(especially if it also has a budged version and/or a very high performance option, where it actually can be a great alternative for a desktop and do things like blender and such well) then many people would start using it which would start a revolution making that the new standard, since right now celuar companies have a monpoly and also use centralized propetairy networks,
adding lora in them by default would shoot the mobile age into a new era.
ofcource the current ones are capable of it using that module (pinedio), and while it is actually very cheap, it is still something somoene has to manually decide to get, install and set up on their devices, also I do not know for sure if it allows sending through of the pine connector since otherwise it would use that blocking other modules, getting it in as a default just would push the technology and also make the pinephone a true masterpiece for people seeking mobile freedom or privacy.

those are 2 of it's great things, privacy and freedom, and modularity and actually being able to run real software.

android and IOS phones have insane hardware sometimes but they only allow limited apps, I remember having a 10 core smartphone back in 2016, turned out the soc vendor had the soc closed source, so rooting it or adding linux on it wasn't really doable without things like reverse enginearing or just guessing and hoping those guesses are right and won't brick the phone, by now that soc vendor changed that but back then that meant I was stuck with android on that phone. I never really got a real befit from that high end hardware, except for that I could run all games well in high settings(despite them often giving warnings or defaulting to low since they didn't know the soc), but if I wanted to actually do something on that phone for which you would want high performance, like video editing, blender, programming, making things in general, it just won't work since on android and IOS you don't have apps for that, and the apps like it are often heavily limited and optimized for noobs instead of people wanting actual freedom or to do things.

the pinephone on the other hand had low end hardware but still was and is faster than the worlds fastest android and ios smartphone(except for if you would root them and install linux on them) since android and IOS phones are just so locked down you can't really do anything with them despite their high end hardware.
so if I want to edit a video, sure the first pinephone would be slow compared to pc, but on android and ios you can't even do it, making the pinephone around infinite times as fast, well unless you only want to use one of those automovie maker apps where it just automatically glues the videos together but allows no actual controll or editing(well in the past IOS had some actual editing apps, but most of them disapeared or got banned from the appstore since many iphones would get stuck due to not being fast enough to handle them, and apple didn't like that, but while they allowed some controll they also where very speciffic, like adding in speciffic cgi or a speciffic type of effects. on the pinephone you can actually do things, it is basically a complete computer in your pocket.

in my case actually my parents wanted me to get a samsung phone, since my old phone broke after it fell down the trailer slope in the harbour and landed on the ridge of a concrete plate with some sharp rocks below it and some truck with a trailer drove over it causing the aluminium back to be warped and the screen cracked and pieces falling out the sides, I told them that is normal for phones if that happens to them but they got mad and said it was because it wasn't a samsung phone but a unknown brand(already had it for longer than a samsung phone would typically last when this happened, around 5 years or so. the phone actually still worked but the touchscreen didn't work well anymore especially after I tried to repair it by adding in a thin alcohol based epoxy like substance to prevent pieces of glass falling out of the screen, having the touchscreen barely work made it pretty hard to use sometimes, when I got the phone they wanted me to get, I noticed it is insanely slow, having also lower specs than the pinephone, with having only 4 super slow cores, 2gb of ram and around 2 gb internal storage(16gb on paper but 14 gb is already filled with nonsense you can't remove)
in 2021 this was concidered a mid/midlow end android phone, so the pinephones specs where quite okay, but ofcource many people would want to use the pinephone like a full pc, and the pinephone 1 didn't have a lot of support from vendors or drivers, having only community made and ported stuff in general and some linux distros helping, but this means little support for thigns like video acceleration and hardware acceleration.
the pinephone pro, actually does have a lot of this support, so while it's hardware while faster doesn't seem to much faster, it's performance should be faster by a insane lot due to already much work being done by hobbyists, developers, and linux developers in the pinephone 1, and now for this phone rockchip actually helping with the development and even making a customized chip for the phone, as well as having way less heat and power issues than the pinephone 1, and probably being far more likely to have good hardware acceletation support.
even though somehow I am still also concidering the pinephone 1, but that is mostly since the convergence package also includes the dock which I really like so I can connect mouse and keyboard.
but I know for my use the pro probably makes more sense, since it is just faster, and such, and that way I can try to get more complex softwares running on it, also the low power standby is usefull, and I would need to order the pinedio seperate anyway, so could as well order the dock seperate as well, only main difference would be that it would be around 2.25 times the price of the normal pinephone for not to much more of the things I mostly care about, since the old pinephone also has many things and it being less stable and fancy isn't as big of a problem to me, but on the other hand, getting the pro also would be good so pine64 has more money to work with, and so rockchip also gets rewarded more for helping with the project, and since it might stimulate that which I still hope them to make sometime.

aka. a single board cluster high performance compute unit, essentially a sbc or pinephone or pinebook or such. but then it is optimized to have a lot of raw potential compute power for cheap, so not meant to be fast in genera use, but fast for server use or for example blender or such, so while all could be a single many core chip, it could also in order to save cost just be one main chip and then many chips which are controlled kind of like a more direct acces cluster computer, just to have a lot of compute and AI power and such.

Id really love to get one. However its crucial to be able to run certain apps for daily life that only comes as android. So it would require emulation and ability to install android apps like mobile tickets for transport, a sort of MFA app we use in my country and mobile pay and others. For it to be viable for me to get.

Honestly the librem 5 is better than the pinebook pro😂😂😂

They definitely should have used "plus" instead of "pro"

So, I can installation full software inside Pinephone Pro? Wow, that is something.

all this to say he doesnt know yet

You don't have a computer for yourself? What about a laptop? Or do you mean you use a computer or laptop shared with others in your household?
And wow! Respect that you are only using those apps on your computer and are such a digital minimalist!

Did u get it?

The Apple ecosystem is very nice and hard to want to leave. Keep in mind I’m older so I don’t care as much about privacy anymore (security: of course yes). It feels like a losing battle but you younger folks keep up the good fight. I have background in Linux so it is interesting…

there is waydroid and adding MicroG into it makes the cons with the apps and app stores not a con anymore and using the Aurorastore (Accountless Google play store) and AuroraDroid(F-droid store it is a opensource application store) and with a Android 11 image do you have hardware acceleration

"Linux 1st" phones are the wild west for now. You're free to do whatever you're capable of, but civilization is a long ways away. If you can't cope with the wildlife and the banditos, you may want to wait to make the big move. If you're tech self-reliant and don't need anyone telling you what can and can't be done, (or looking over your shoulder at every turn,) then pack up the Calistoga and chase the buffalo across the plains. It's just a different way of thinking about your interactions with the rest of the world. SMS works fine. MMS, not so much yet. Calls are mostly fine. VoIP is possible, but not perfect. Those beautiful new cameras are, ...well they're coming soon. I love the fact that I can write a script or program and add functionality without the problems of a jailbroke system. I love the fact that I can choose who or what has access to my files and information, (no more Google!) I love the fact that there are no "rules" other than what is possible. I love being able to choose from among many OSs. I do not love the tiny, as of yet; not upgradeable battery, but that seems to get more and more efficient each update. I do not daily drive mine yet. I don't think it's ready, but others have been doing just that and I guess that comes down to what you define as "necessary." My rig is PPP/Mobian/Phosh/Tow-boot.
Nice, simple, direct video, young sir.

They need to go BACK to being PHONES=== for CALLING ONLY. an dget rid of the other crap... that's ridiculous.. people don't need to be walking around with a damn full computer in their pocket... When i drove a tow truck for several years-- 80% of the accidents I worked involved someone using a damn phone to do computer shit when they should have been paying attention to their driving.

“This might be a perk for some of you who want a full desktop experience on a mobile phone…I know you people exist”

here I am. You found me! :D

They had me at SEGA "Dreamcast Emulation" !!

$300 phone what do you expect. If you want everything on the top-level pay $1200 and above then.

I’ve heard about Linux all of my life, but I’ve never seen it. This video has stirred my curiosity!

Give me librem 5

give me more CPU and battery and I'm in. rockchips are a pain in the ass, give me a core m3-7y32 for less power consumption and better performance, maybe double the ram, and forget about trying to make it as thin as a normal smart phone. I'm willing to compromise a lot more on form factor and pay a lot more than they're targeting to get out of Google's ecosystem.

edit: oh, and faster storage. emmc is excruciating.

Honestly PinePhone has been nothing but a trainwreck, I tried the first one and it legit gave me headaches and made me sick. The Pro is only gonna be slightly better and it'll likely flop as bad as the first one.

Is the os available to dowload for android phones

I feel like Linux is the "Libertarian" of the computer tech world.

You did a review without actually using the product?

I think this is a really interesting project and I'm happy that people exist who spend time and effort working on it.

Personally I'd like to support them and buy the product, but i'd prefer to use AOSP because of the huge amount of work that has gone in to optimisation for the limited resources of a smartphone. Maybe the Fairphone would be a better fit for me.

It's also really nice to see how many comments there are under this video. This is obviously a topic that interests a lot of people.

If you don't have your hands on one then it's not here.

I genuinely cannot wait to get my hands on one of these devices. The simple ability to take my desktop on the go is a convenience which seems unreal in the hands of penetration testers. If we could obtain a pinephone with perhaps 2-3 more gb of ram, we could be holding in our hands a pentester's dream device! However, as of now 4 gb of ram is still powerful enough to run most if not all pentesting tools so I most definitely will be getting a hold of one of these bad boys as soon as possible!

Thanks for the clickbait.

Why Linux phone have to be so ugly?

Great Video! what is the max resolution of the external display that you can hook this pro phone to via the usb dock? Thank you

nope, its tooo slow.

Does jingOS / cutefish OS work on it? Did you get the pro phone to review yet?

This thing sounds so cool

I bought it for a personal phone and I still don’t know how to use it

This can be a worthy alternative to Android. I saw a video of someone running desktop GIMP software inside Manjaro Phosh Desktop Mode from his vanilla PinePhone and I'm totally amazed by its performance. At this point, the likes of Samsung DeX and Motorola Ready For suddenly become irrelevant.

I don't understand why we need a pure Linux phone when we already have Android.
Just fork Android and remove/add any features you want to it.
The Linux community should be supporting Android not competing with it.

Pineapple Pro

GNU/Linux phones to be exact. Android can be considered a "Linux mobile OS" because it uses a custom version of the Linux kernel at it's core.

What Linux distro runs fastest on PinePhone BETA? Arch BareBones? Ubuntu Touch? or..............?

BIG NOOOOOOOOO

The midrange bit is a bit of an over statement... The specs are definitely higher low end... a snapdragon 6xx or 7xx device will absolutely trash it and newer 4xx devices as well... I guess if you buy this, it doesn't matter to you.

Can it run apex legends mobile or genshin impact ?

Can u install Kali on it?

No phone in this video !

For Apple users, who own at least a Macbook and an iPhone? Because of Apple eco system. But in terms of privacy phone, 100% Linux!

99% of phone users are apps obsessed. No apps no go.

I got the original Pinephone just to play around with it, and in principle I would love a Linux phone, or viable alternative to iPhone / Android. But yeah, it's a terrible experience using a desktop OS crammed into a phone screen. Many apps literally just go off the edge of the screen because they don't scale down, and even many of the apps marked "mobile friendly" are still not done right.