What did the Allies think about the Sturmgewehr MP43/44 StG 44

Yeah def some morale propaganda in there most likely. Last thing any Army administration would generally want, is to be teaching recruits that the enemy has superior small arms than them. So they'd naturally try to downplay any weapon that may cause intimidation or a threat in ways which they 'may' be able to overcome the disadvantage, regardless of the realities.

The allied reviewers were still stuck in the past of a rifle being capable of killing at extreme long range. For some reason they were not taking note that the European theater was getting in closer with fighting becoming more frantic with the need for faster easier to wield firepower. I could go on, but I hope you know what I'm trying to say.

It looks like the Ak47, i wonder why.


This is a joke, i know the AK47 was modeled from the STG 44.

Seems like a bullshit report tbh. The only significant downside it had when compared to rest was the weight. That matters a lot if you have to carry it. The range and accurracy? Only if you're comparing it to a rifle shooting at ranges on which it's rarely used.

They Said WTF we want one😂

Allies, 1945:. The new German automatic carbine is inaccurate, too heavy, and not combat effective.
Allies 1946: We need our own version of the new German automatic carbine ASAP.

What they wrote in reports vs what the troops thought fighting against it are 2 different things :)

Or course the Americans and Soviets didn’t want to Alarm their troops that the Germans had just produced and combat tested the infantry firearm of the future. Stamped metal receiver, semi and automatic fire options, a 30 round magazine. The M1 Garand was out classed then just like it was further outclassed when the Soviets produced the AK47. The U.S. knew it and refused to modernize. Just like when the Americans tried to convince everyone that their Sherman Tank was better than any German tank until the burning wrecks of Sherman’s on the battlefield proved it wasn’t. Propaganda is a marvelous tool up til the moment when the truth upends it.

U.S. report was propaganda based, i.e. they didn't want to scare the crap outta the GIs.

it's pronounced carbeen, not carbyne. a carbeen is any rifle with a barrel length less than 1209 inches. but the mp43/44 is a new type of weapon. it's not a carbeen.

Its pretty funny that US Army sources were claiming that a low pressure cartridge firing a pistol bullet had superior accuracy and ballistic performance to a bottle necked rifle cartridge firing an aerodynamically superior bullet at a higher muzzle velocity.

Must say the US intelligence reports haven't changed much since WW II.....
Full of inaccuracies and bigoted lies

And yet in Vietnam only 20 years later, guys were stealing AK’s because their m-16’s were so horribly designed. Honestly i think the problem wasn’t the gun itself but the lack of resources to keep pumping out thousands of them like we were able to. Not to mention all the other materials, and manpower in general. By ‘44 there were literally children defending Berlin. High doses of amphetamine (or pervitin as they named it) played a huge role in their decision making, hitlers “vitamins” likely changed the course of what could have been a much worse outcome. But yes in terms of usability those guns were much less friendly than say a thompson or an m1 garand.

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seeing that they told their troops that the MG-42 was not a threat (all bark, no bite slogan), of course they are going to downplay the MP-44.

Underestimating the Sturmgewehr did not hinder the US in adopting their own (hastily developed) assault rifle M-16 after the M-14 proves far less adequate in replacing the M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine, M-1 Thompson, M-3 Grease Gun, and the BAR in the offensive full autofire role.

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German troops were used to handling over heated/hot weapons. The MP40 was notorious for this problem as it also became incredibly hot, incredibly quickly.
For this reason German troops were issued heavy wool or leather gloves.
If you look at videos/pictures of German troops firing MP40s you'll see that they are always wearing gloves...

Lots of propaganda from both sides in their reports 😐

Everything nazi is popular today but does that explain the fetihised strumgewher 44

The MP-44 was the first time Stoner and Sullivan saw constant recoil..

What I find is most nations downplay other nations weapons. And many officers don't like change. An example is Russia drug its feet upgrading its field cannons. So not surprised the ally reports are inconsistent from the actual German reports.

you have to take into consideration that this was a military briefing and they would play down the weapon as much as possible. The simple truth is that the STG44 was a force multiplier and if hitler had allowed the military to arm their soldeir with this in 1943 it could have change the ending of the war. The K98 was a great marksman rifle but the germans needed an intermediate rapid firing rifle and they would have been unstoppable.

Well they had to downplay how good it was to keep morale up. The STG was held back though by relatively low production numbers and some soldiers had difficulty obtaining magazines and ammo. There was times though in the eastern front when large units of soldiers were only armed with STG-44s.

The guys I knew that fought in Europe during ww2 seemed to have talked about the mp40 being a handy machine gun but also thought the mp43 was junk easily broken and cheap …most just commented that the mp43 was kind of a novelty during the war

US soldiers were not impressed and continued to carry heavy wood stock rifle caliber rifles into battle for twenty more years.

So the Allie’s basically just lied out of their ass just like they did the mg42 lol. Sure, by no means is the stg amazing but it’s certainly better than almost anything on the battlefield at that time. You can see this is German combat reports

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Excellent video. Your the audio fades in and out though, may need a better mic.

So why do you think some American soldiers used captured StG 44 during world war 2?

I guess basically, the MP44 just wasnt what the allies wanted or needed based on their personal doctrines, experiences, and preferences, so it was unimpressive in their minds.
They wanted the range and power of rifle cartridges and that's what they had, so a weaker round and a less handy platform to shoot it from didn't inspire any interest.

Not to say that the MP44 was bad or good. I'm sure we can all agree based on how firearms have evolved that it was a step towards the right direction. They just needed to eventually appreciate the balance it offered.

I remember hearing about this, most of them weren't impressed bc it was the middle ground between an mp40 and k98, funnily enough that's why it was a great idea.