Transubstantiation (Aquinas 101)

The Truth of the Holy Eucharist is the belief that at the Consecration, it is the Lord Who is present, living and risen, body, blood, soul and divinity. The Orthodox also believe as Catholics believe in the Real Presence but they do not use the word transubstantiation which is rooted in an Aristotelian understanding of matter.

Would you say that the following is Catholic Truth:
Transubstantiation is an apt, appropriate, expression of the Mystery of the Eucharist, but in itself can not lay claim to be an exhaustive explanation of what takes place at the time of consecration.

This is nice

Iam clear on everything except the part where he says "the eucharistic presence of christ doesnt oblige us to enter into the friendship of god contrary to our will". Y is that? I mean if the bread nd wine physically transformed everytime into real body and blood, how is does that force us to enter into relationship wth god contrary to our will? Can some one help me on this pls.

it’s just a ritual that symbolizes the acceptance of Christ, it is very simple

I was raised in a non denominational church, and I’m currently considering either Catholicism or a very classical Protestant tradition. Thank you for this video.

I came back to the Church in 2018 after experiencing a powerful conviction of the reality of Jesus’s sacrifice and the seriousness of my sin. I have gone to confession on a monthly basis since then, I have partaken of the Eucharist on a weekly basis, and I recently had a priest tell me I’m in danger of losing my soul. My sins have only gotten worse over time, since 2018. How can this all be the case, if a devout Catholic is expected to grow in holiness through the grace imparted by receiving the Eucharist in faith? I strongly believe that several, perhaps millions, of Catholics leave the faith for a Protestant denomination b/c what they’re being told doesn’t match up with any kind of real transformation in their lives

Witchcraft is saying words and something happens. Transubstantiation is saying words and something happens...🤔

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If somebody came up to you and asked you to take a dollar bill out of your pocket and the proceeded to hold their hands over that dollar bill and told you that God had trans-substantiated it into a banana … how would I know they were wrong?

Using the same philosophical techniques couldn‘t we prove anything that Jesus said? If Jesus said „5+3=12“ rather than stating Jesus wasn‘t good at math, theologians would state that we need to look deeper, Jesus is talking about the essence of 3 and 5, God can make 3+5=12 if he wants because he is omnipotent.

I‘m not saying you should give up your faith or not believe in God. Just don‘t try to make things make sense that clearly don‘t make sense. Have a lovely day.

Please stop telling lies to believers. You deceive but yourself! Stop the idolatry in the name of Eucharistic adoration 🙄

This logic allows trans people to exist

Help me out, because I have been struggling. STIII, Q75, art. 4 states "Therefore He can work not only formal conversion, so that diverse forms succeed each other in the same subject; but also the change of all being, so that, to wit, the whole substance of one thing be changed into the whole substance of another. And this is done by Divine power in this sacrament; for the whole substance of the bread is changed into the whole substance of Christ's body, and the whole substance of the wine into the whole substance of Christ's blood."


Aquinas' emphasize on WHOLE substance means that both form /and matter/ change.

I worry that you are using the accident of quality equivocally with matter, but that does not fit with Aquinas. He is clear that nothing material persists in a change of the whole substance.


What am I misreading?

Definitely a psychedelic

Is Jesus present or is it a MEMORY or REMEMBRANCE as stated in the Scriptures ?

Could it be similar to when we are “born again?” Physically there is no change in us, but we are a “new creation” in Christ.

So God is not spirit. He’s physical in a wafer made in a factory (yes, that’s what was said in this video with a lot of associated sophistry). This is what you get when an existing, and sometimes preposterous, proclamation seeks an explanation. “Can’t back out of this transubstantiation thing now, it’s out there!” The explanation then amounts to a series of thought circles and knots. I believe a physical presence is a requirement for people with weak faith. Meaning some people need their senses fed in order to know God exists. Unless they see miracles, they just can’t believe. Someone said that before, right?

The apostles would have lost their minds if he actually meant it was his body and blood. They were Jewish. Peter and Jesus were Jewish!

What a ridiculous dogma. Catholics have had to cook up and entirely different definition of words, like “accidents”.

Bread and wine remains bread and wine. By any rational and objective measurements, it simply doesn’t occur.

What’s more likely, that every Sunday in every church God grants metamorphic powers to every priest, but it doesn’t actually change “mere properties”, just in ways that can’t be detected or verified. Presumably it’s within God’s powers to actually transform materials, he’s just holding back for some reason.


OR Catholic priests, like priests of every religion, have simply pretended and lied.

Bishaporu halpar job tharamo

Saint Matthew 9:13
Then he added, “Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: ‘I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.’ For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners.”

St. Thomas is indeed a wonderful gift of God to the Church. Incredible is his lucid mind🙏🙏🙏

How about you drop the sacraments, get born again, and then you yourself become part of God's body.
Ephesians 5:30 KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Additionally…

Catholic apologist Tim Staples writes, “If Jesus was speaking in purely symbolic terms, his competence as a teacher would have to be called into question. No one listening to him understood him to be speaking metaphorically.”[12]

In response to this objection, we need to remember that Jesus’ audience was “grumbling” even before he made the claim about eating his flesh (v.41). They were “grumbling” over the fact that he said, “I have come down out of heaven” (v.42) Moreover, when Jesus heard his disciples grumbling, he corrected their interpretation by saying, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life” (v.63). The problem wasn’t with Jesus’ teaching, but rather with the fact that the audience left before he finished his teaching.

Jesus uses parallelism in this discourse to equate believing with eating his flesh. Note the parallel between verse 40 and verse 54:

(Jn. 6:40) “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

(Jn. 6:54) “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

According to this parallel, beholding and believing (v.40) are equated with eating and drinking Christ’s flesh (v.54). This is further paralleled by verse 35:

(Jn. 6:35) I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.

(Jn. 6:54) “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

To “hunger” and “thirst” and parallel to the one who “eats” and “drinks.” But note what Jesus says satisfies our hunger: “He who comes to Me… he who believes in Me.” Jesus isn’t speaking about his literal flesh and blood any more than he is speaking about literal bread (Jn. 6:35) or literal water (Jn. 4:10-14). Indeed, Jesus uses the term sarx for his “body,” rather than the common term sōma (which was the common term used in the Lord’s Supper). Indeed, the “term ‘flesh’ is never used in the NT to refer to the Lord’s Supper.”Hence, this seems “to caution against a sacramental or eucharistic understand of these verses.”This is why Augustine of Hippo wrote regarding this passage: “Believe, and you have eaten.”

God bless you to clear my thoughts 😅

Well we now live in trans world women saying man and men saying women it is what ever say it is? Transubstantiation is what say or is pageantry think!

Its hilatious how much twisting and turning and brainpower these lot engage in to support a belief that boils down to "nuh uh, you're just not believing hard enough!!!"

I recently heard a Catholic Apologist make an interesting point. The Last Supper was not the first time Jesus changed ordinary bread and wine into His body and blood. Anytime during His natural life that He ate bread and drank wine (or any food for that matter); it would eventually become His real flesh and blood. The same way that the food we consume becomes our own flesh and blood and we grow and repair our bodies. At the Last Supper, ths change of the bread and wine into His body and blood would be the first instance He did this miraculously. And just as He gave His Apostles the Authority to repeat the other miracles He had done (ie. heal people, raise them from the dead, walk on water, etc.); so too did He give this miraculous Authority to His Apostles (ie. DO THIS in memorial of Me).
Anyone can believe a piece of bread can symbolically represent Jesus. It takes biblical faith to believe Jesus has the ability to actually be that piece of bread through the actions of an Apostle.
Keep the Faith.

Aquinas taught that nothing causes itself and what maintains everything in existence is Subsistent Existence. Eternal existence.

so me, laic, I take bread and give it to my friends saying that it is Christ? No?

I would bet my last, dollar, that, if the trans substantiation resulted in a physical change of the host than this video would be vastly different. It would be said how God loves us so much that He created this change to strengthen our faith and to provide evidence to the world.

Aquinas was a platonist, not a christian.

Once for all , God Bless.

Was it a metaphor when Jesus told the woman at the well whoever drinks the water I give will never thirst?

All of this from Jesus saying unless you eat my body and drink my blood you will have no part in heaven.
Sometimes it’s wiser to admit you don’t understand something. There is a lot that goes beyond the bible here, drawing on mans wisdom which is foolishness on to God.

Couldn’t you argue that this is used by every culture, replace the bread and wine with a statue or an icon, wouldn’t it be the same thing?

Thank you Aquinas 101, may God bless you!

Jesus is present in the Eucharist. I know that Jesus is there for us to adore Him. I believe that Jesus started to call me in 2007, that was when I started more involved with prayer and started looking for a Church that was open during the day so I could go there and stay awhile in prayer in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Then I called my church, which was closed during the day, and someone told me of a church where there the Eucharist was exposed for adoration.

I firmly believe it is as Jesus says, he is the bread and wine are the body and blood. My issue with Transubstantion is not an "issue" with it. I think it is a fine and well reasoned possibility and I can fault nobody for thinking it to be true, but it is still a theory that relies on some well reasoned assumptions, but assumptions nonetheless. Of course no better explanation I have heard for how the bread and wine is the body and blood, this does not mean it is a fact as opposed to a possibility.

I could be wrong, but dont the Catholics consider it heresy to both believe that the bread and wine is the body and blood, while also either being unsure as to how, or entirely rejecting transubstantion as how?

Jesus Christ is truly Present in the Holy Eucharist Transanstubuation Changes the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of The Risen Jesus Christ ✝️🙌🕊️❤️

So the natural question from here is what happens to the body and blood or Christ in the digestive system? How long does it stay his body and blood?

Explain this to William Lane Craig.

father....i like the show...but difficult to understand it

God is a SUBSTANCE, isn't it?

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