BIG WIN For Solo Players But How Big? Delves In The War Within Season 2

Bottom line...we ALL pay the same amount to play this game...whether we are mythic + raiders or solo players...we should ALL have access to the highest gear levels

Allowing other people to earn gear/crests isn't the end of the world. I really don't understand this mentality. I don't solo play or even do delves, but idc if that's how people want to approach the gearing process. It doesn't affect me nor you - and I honestly have not heard anyone complaining about this. Maybe delves are more fun for someone; Maybe M+ is, or raiding? Let people decide.

Continue to cry. You streamers are such garbage, people should be able to progress how they want, and they should have the avenues to do it.

I left the game after due to the grind, but the new changes and up coming changes made me come back, delves rocks!!

Slowly, Bliz has learned there is more than one way to play their game, and addressing the slighting those other playstyles have suffered for decades. To piss on any other playstyle is the definition of elitist, so if you are doing it, you are an elite snob, if you are doing it, own it.

That's exactly what I have felt, you've become a massive elitest over delves. Why should we be foreced into mythic+ to upgarade our gear? I haven't done mythic plus since they were called challenge mode in mop. In mop I had a guild, i raided and challenge mode was accessable. Now Mythic+ on a hunter not at all accessable. I can't get a group. I'm not even going to try anymore, and nothing they can do other than a solo que will get me into mythic +.

As a solo player, I would rather raid/mythic be the easier option for gearing but then also having the same potentially to reach the same ilvl just with a little more effort/time
Id like if delves got a bit harder, once I was able to do t8 they got easy really fast, most deaths was from just pulling multiple packs of mobs by choice.
id have liked more reasons to do higher tiers beyond achivements.

I play wow solo for the most part and have been using delves as my main source of gear since they became available on my main tank and a couple alts, they are not "that" easy when you get up past level 8 they are like doing a heroic dungeon or mini raid by yourself. So to see that the gear level stops increasing past 603 after you hit 8 is a deterrent for me to bother going to level 11 since the reward isn't any better, To be given a better reward would be incentive to go higher. Their is no reason to be bothered by people getting gear any way they choose to everyone has a choice and who is anyone to look badly upon someone else because they didn't get their gear by raiding or doing mythic + its all about jealousy when it doesn't have to be.

I love delves. I have had so many bad experiences with dungeons and raids, because I'm not really good at them. Nothing like being screamed at by a kid 1/4 my age because I missed something in a boss fight.

Spent most of the video shopping on IntotheAM 😅 Guess I could just rewatch it lol

95% of those complaigning probably never even cleared a lvl 11 solo on a character they geared solo.
I've been playing WoW for 20 years and raided for the majority of it, up to the first tier of BFA. Clearing a lvl 11 delve is not something you do blindfolded on a character you geared trough solo content/delves alone.
Sure, maybe you can blast true it in capped out mythic gear, but solo players will not have that.
This elitist mentality is exactly why I don't even engage in mythic+ anymore in TWW. These dimwits seem to forget solo content looks easy for them because they have geared their characters much faster in group content.
I played TWW solo so far without any group other than a few heroic dungeons early on and getting a lvl 11 delve is not easier (or harder) than doing heroic / early mythic raids in a decent guild or doing +8/+10 mythic+ with a fixed group.

To insert gilded crests inside Delve is a joke. There is no mythic track gears whatsoever can be obtained in Delve. So what will be next? If the Delve players will think tier 8 delves are too tough and they have difficulties to open their vault for a piece of heroic gear, will blizzard also felt sorry and just put that heroic gear into the world quests so that you only need to do some pet battle and pick some flowers or climb some rocks to get it?😂

Don't see a problem with delves giving full gear, even myth vault... I do Mythic raiding. So it's really no problem to me... The people who actually like M+ aren't about the crests or the myth track gear, it's about the rating, pushing keys... I also don't do Mythic raiding for the Myth gear either, I wouldn't mind if mythic didn't even give actual gear, the difficulty curve would be much smoother and nicer without mythic gear at all and it would be about your skill a lot more than getting your mythic gear and the rewards could be vanity, titles and such... I actually find doing tier 11 with my husband much harder than any 10 key I've been in, so please... Give it myth track and gilded and let me never ever have to touch M+... M+ people trust me, you don't want me playing your content, I am mostly just in a bad mood while doing it cause I feel forced in to doing it, not doing it cause I want to... I refuse to look up mechanics or caring about knowing what to interrupt... And even with that, I still do +10s easy... And tier 11 is same difficulty for me, but I actually have fun and I think that's what games should be.. Play what you have fun playing and get everything that you need from the content that you enjoy playing... I would never ever gatekeep gear, everyone even the open world only guy wants to solo all the stuff in the world like I can and I see no damn problem in letting him if he puts in the time with his world quests and what not... It doesn't matter to me at all... A perfect world to me is no different gear levels at all, just get gear from normal and that's it and difficulty settings is just that... A difficulty challenge with no gear upgrades.... But that's just me.

Delves suck

This may be a bit anecdotal, but I think t11 delves giving gilded crests would completely destroy what little is left of M+. The only reason I engage with keys at all is for the crests. Delves could scale up to t20 and they still wouldn't be even remotely as hard as a key. I think this is a big mistake.

Ugh man delves 🤦. If you like beating your head against the wall you'll love them. They suck so bad. Just one sponge mob after another. So very boring, oh look , another mob that's gonna take forever to die.

I believe that the majority of people who really enjoy Delves are not the same people who do Mythic+ nor do they care to do Mythic+. I am one of those people. I love to raid, do delves, but I have zero interest in the current way Mythic+ is functioning. Why should Delves be somehow nerfed when it comes to crests in comparison to Mythic+? High level Delves should be rewarding and a viable way to gear up. Now, people who do Delves are still forced to do Mythic+ too if they want to get their gear maxed out in a reasonable amount of time.

515 was solo cap in dragonflight last season no M+ content

People these days believe they have the right to the best gear & rewards by doin nothing.

what dose having a cap even do, theirs fixed item slots

You've flip flopped on this. When I mentioned it in your stream, (you were progging Zekvir) you bit my head off. Glad you've finally come around.

We'll have to wait and see if they keep the same difficulty scaling as s1. If they do, tier 11 delves are out of reach for the general player anyways.

Caps in crest is the time i don't subscribe for obvious reasons.

I would like to see an upgrade path from Hero to Myth. Something like require a 6/6 Hero piece and cost 15-30 Gilded Crests to make that piece 1/6 Myth. That would benefit everyone who maybe got that rare piece but at a lower upgrade track and the fully solo player who would want to put in the time to grind it out.

Maybe they should give delve gear the pvp gear treatment and make it have a ilvl boost while only in delves. I just don't want the content I can access solo get nerfed because mythic plus/raider people abuse it.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. If I can have the equivalent to 636 fully crafted + 626 Hero (vault) Tier set from catalyst by playing solo delves. I'm gquitting, never joining another toxic mythic+ group again, and playing with my small group of IRL friends or solo in delves. It would be absolutely amazing! Turning all chat off. heaven.

I really love the delve system I can sort my run how I want to. Nothing toxic but the boss if I fail I can blame me. I can learn from that fail. I can remember when mythic plus came out and Raiders were ticked off. We just roll with it. Let me play my way, delves. And they can play there way. I look at it this way, if I want something from the raid I go raid I come prepared now not just an under-geared mess.

I'm pretty sure they did something like this before but in PvP with conquest points... You can only get so many conquests doing battlegrounds in a week .. compared to people who are doing arenas if I remember correctly

Personally I think in the next year or so, Delves will surpass Mythic+ in popularity.. just like Mythic+ did to raids.

Also, Delves could drop 0.02% of a gilded crest.. and I would still rather run Delves than pug Mythic+

Gilded crests can be locked with bountiful keys if they want to make it more fair

Had multiple pieces of Myth gear at the end of Dragonflight, I had all Hero Gear by like the sixth week through delves only in TWW, as of right now my hero gear still isnt leveled all the way and I dont have a single peice of Myth gear and probably still wont by the end of the patch. W o n k y.

I have been stuck at max item level for me for about two months now. Can't get gilded and upgrade because i don't want to do m+ and doing heroic palace does not give anything more either.

Why cater to solo players in a MMO? lol

7 minutes to say "Delves will be more rewarding" .. just fyi.

Why is this a thing? A game should be about having fun on your own time. I have 2 kids and I'd love to raid but i simply cannot promise my presence on any specific day. So Delves are all i've got. I used to LFR and thats about all i would be able to do and it kinda sucked. I am challenged and feel like im not lagging too far behind. Also a great way to do things if you do not play a meta spec. Waiting for hours to do a key simply cuz you would rather play a spec you like is just dumb. Delves are all good for all the right reasons and mythic people can do their mythics if thats what they wanna do.

What???? Solo play has been dead for years. Guilds are toxic unless you are an elite player. Professions are just a series of never-ending hoops to jump through. R we playing the same game?

I love Delves. Also love the idea as in Retal you can be a solo player in an online world. You do not want play alone today ? you have the options ! You want to be more competetive with other players ? you have the options. You want to be PVP ? you have the options !
The beauty of Retail as every type of player found their own way in the game.

why put caps on delves... i dont want to go back to + ever again and mythic raiding is out of reach for me. Aotc is my jam. but delves are esy to access for the limited amount of time i have out of work... gating solo players experience will kill this game...

What item level do you need to unlock the badge trade up for Runed to Gilded badges?

My opinion is “who cares which way is faster”. The people gearing in delves to start will have a better chance of getting into groups with a higher item level

The problem isn’t with delves or with mythic plus. The problem is the player base because of all the gatekeeping. Delves wouldn’t be the path of least resistance if mythic plus players stopped inviting solely based on item level. Personally, I think WoW devs should completely remove the players ability to see a players item level. Instead, they should update the group finder to set a recommended item level range for each mythic plus variant, and only allow players within that range to apply for a group for a particular dungeon. This way, the group creator will only have to focus on inviting the class or player. Additionally, players won’t have to waste a bunch of time applying for groups, and constantly getting denied. The result will be more traffic through group finder, and a lot less down time.

I wish they just used ranks for crests and gear tracks. Im an AoTC and keystone hero player each season and still no idea whats what with them.

If the delves only give a third of the weekly cap as in your example, then it would be fair that m+s would also only supply a third, and the mythic raid the final portion. If making people play other game styles is considered, then it should be across the board.

In my mind if you allow easier access to gilded crest and thus mythic gear you can make mythic gear cooler, and then make the reason you raid and do mythic plus other things. ie a raid renown track (which you can get from raid finder).

but still you can encourage raiding without making gilded crests the main incentive, and i think the renown track is kinda on the right path

The real issues with mythics is that mass pulling is the meta for some reason. There's barely any CC that happens anymore which used to be the way things were ran in heroics.

Idiotic people complain about the lack of interrupts yet pull more casters than the group can keep up with interrupts allotted.

The mass pulling meta is by far one of the dumbest aspects of mythics I have ever seen in my life because people want to emulate these mythic tournament so called pros; that apparently have been playing together for years. As they hope puggers can do the exact same thing is hilarious with no voice comms. Then rage quit over one mistake.

I'm not sure what is so hard about CCing things again. It used to be fun sapping, sheeping, or trapping mobs. Then when they the CC broke you could either re-sheep, re-trap or blind mobs to keep them away. Or even have hunters and/or mages kite certain mobs away from the group. It actually took more skill to do that than what we see today of lazy like players who act like elitists.

Today's players have no idea how that ideology actually works. We used to be more all around polished players than looking like a group of monkeys trying to f*ck a football.😊

I QUIT! what happened to regular dungeons then heroics. Regular raids then heroic raids. There are too many options.

It is commendable that Blizzard creating content for solo players (although I would guild over player housing). However, it is bad to grant them the same rewards as Mythic players. Blizzard should refrain from providing high rewards to players who do not or cannot invest in the game's challenges. As a Mythic player, my feel devalued when others who invest significantly less effort receive equivalent rewards. There must be a clear between the achievements of solo players and those of Heroic or Mythic players.