Militarum Tempestus Scions deal HOW MUCH Damage? Army Overview in 10th Edition!

I dont understand how can u put 3 plasma gun + 2 melta + 2 hotshot and a grenade launcher in theses squads when u cant take the same special gun more than twice in the 10 mans squad ? U have to choose beetwin hotshots and meltas ?

I used the full 6x10 + 3 comm squads + 3 unitsd of kasrkin alongside 2 dorns and a tank commander. It was fun, and I got to use a lot of cool models, but it felt too weak against the vehicle heavy list my opponent was using. They're just too expensive for their lack of staying power. 1-2 big squads and 1-2 small squads would probably be best, and then using the points to buy chimeras for the kasrkin, and/or more basic troops

I like their designs but I don´t wanna spend money in an army which I feel will be updated in a 4-5 years to come

A combo I like to use is, since Scion squads can have 2 character attached is a 5 man squad with a command squad and a psyker in a Taurox, and a 10 man squad with a 5 man command squad and psyker in the backline ruins with Drill Commander. Staying still, its 5+ crit hits with lethal and sustained, and Psykers give insane damage output and durability for their points both for the taurox squad and the backline squad.

Tempestus Scion Squads can also be joined by two leaders, so they can have a comand squad and an additional leader added to them. Plus the command squad can also be joined by regimental advisors (meh) or an Ogryn Bodyguard. May not be a bad unit to put into reserves and have come on the board later in the game.

I actually run a Scion led Guard army and having four 10 mans, one 5 to attach to a command out of a Taurox plus 2 more command squads to attach for deep strike is amazing I supplement them with a lot of tanks, and bullgryns it’s game changing and an undefeated list

while i like the models and rules and would love to see a full 2k points scions army its actually wayyy to expensive if you dont use 3D prints. these kits are very pricey and at least have admech lvl of points per (insert currency) ratio if not worse. you could buy 2 armies for the price of 1 scions army

It just sucks that the command squad doesn't get lethals. I don't think they even get it in a attached unit

That box of 6 was plastic.

I'm not a Guard player, but I do think Scions are good utility and broadly underrated. I do have this weird image of loading a bunch of them into a Doomhammer or Stormlord and carting them around the battlefield in that 😅

do scions get born soldiers? i always thought they didn’t (for reasons i dont remember just now)

The guy in the thumbnail looks like he’s riding a horse, but not 😅 no one stands like this!

I went 3-0 this past weekend with 3 scion blobs. They absolutely slap and are amazing!

Yay!!! I keep running full army of Scions. They are my favorite

So how does the fact that the Scion Command Squad has the Regiment keyword interact with the Re-inforcements strat?

I've been using Tempestus Army for 5 years now and their performance is the best ever. I've won 14 out of 15 games through them

i started in 3rd so my Stormtroopers are the metal with the gasmask like faces. I like the new plastics heads too but don't llike the armor designs. Only have 9 of the metal ones but there is a nice 3d print file i found that matches the style of the 3rd edition models.

metall?? ...mr Grognard reporting here that only the special, seareants and heavy weapons where metall. The actual storm troopers where in, for the time, glorious plastic.

10 Scions with 2x Plasma Gun and 2x HSVG, PP and Power Fist on Tempestor
Command Squad with Plasma Gun, HSVG, Master Vox, Medic, Command Rod on Prime
Primaris Psyker

Take Aim + FRFSRF

They get drastically less squishy with a 4+ invul in the shooting phase and a 6+ FNP and can unleash an absolutely unholy amount of damage.

I run a full Scion army with succsess. The only thing it has struggles with is necrons. I do also run sentinels because scions really do lack ranged anti tank.

Had a funny situation where i was up against chaos demons and the opposition had a changling to hold his back objective. I teleported in my 3*5 man units to take him off it, unfortunately they all failed their leadership and couldnt shoot. Made up for it tho with 2/3 9 inch charges and killed him in melee to my delight.

I often like to use 3*5 man units deepstriking. Really good at taking enemy home objective, meaning the enemy has to divert forces away to retake it. Actions monkeys also perfect. Great at resupporting a weakened side of the board too. Definitely want to try a big 15 man units for ultimate damage support especially with lethals and sustained fishing for 6s with 2+ hitting and re rollls. Would likely take some extra for the VP support too.

Praying for a scion detachment with the codex drop

I used 2x10 man’s in Tuarox Primes the other day. They flattened the entire enemy flank.

Is the Kasrkin squad's optional sniper and demolitions guy enough to keep 'em ahead of Tempestus Scions?

I was thinking of running two 5 man teams in Centaurs.

Scions with command squad and psyker in a taurox prime hits like a hammer.

Scions (and Kasrkin) are great, I really like the amount of damage they can do as well as the tactical usefulness of Deep Striking small units to grab secondaries.

Personally, though, I don't like how much their damage output comes from them being Special Weapon Delivery Systems - I preferred how Storm Troopers worked a long time ago in 4th (I've been out of the game for ages), with fewer special weapons but a really beefy hellgun/hot-shot lasgun (only an 18' Range, but totally ignoring 3+ Saves). I would really like it if their damage output came from their unique hotshot weaponry, rather than the plasma guns and meltas that we see in every Imperial army.

My idea for this was to make First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire! order only apply to S4 or less weapons (to make plasma guns less of an auto pick) but more powerful (x2 Attacks - so the Volley Gun would be able to get 6 shots - and +1 to Wound).

I also really think that, in an age where all Space Marines have 2 Wounds, Orks have T5 and 5+ saves, and Eldar Guardians have 4+ saves (!!!)...wouldn't it be fair for the absolute best of the Imperial Guard (Scions/Stormies, Kasrkin and similar Grenadier units), raised on a regime of exercise and clad in the best armour available, to get T4? Adding an extra point per model, obviously.

If you want some silly synergy, take the 5 mand command squad with the rod have them lead 5-10 scions, and run it with gaunts ghosts, they can both order after dropping back in and the ghosts will give them that second order while both units order themselves.

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My Scions have Tzanngor heads on them :)
(Thousand Sons Cultists)

Kyria can't join this squad

Tried 3x T. Command squad + 10 men scions, lot of special weapons. Result: scary damage against non vehicle /monster units; weaknesses: 2 flamethrowers in overwatch and you are f****d and if you don't kill your target you lose 170 points (same points as a LR) on counterattack. I like them a lot but they are not cheap to run as damage dealers.

They also enjoy Bullgryn and Ratlings as support

Scions are good now. Their weakness is lack of anti armour, but once you eliminate most of the infantry you can end up outscoring things.

To kill a scion command squad scions unit, you have to expose yourself to another one deep striking 9" to where the old squad was 😂

Never leave home without them

75x scions with deep strike is just.... ☠

And they're even battleline when running a tempestus command squad with tempestus prime as your warlord... 😅

The OG storm troopers were plastic

I just played against something like 60 scions lol, they hit hard

One really underrated use for Scions are turn 3+ 2x5 man drops like paratroopers to sow discord behind lines, do actions, and steal objective, especially if supported by Gaunt's Ghost's that can throw them an order and then fade and come back in next turn. As your opponents screen starts to fail, the threat of multiple 5 man deep strikers that can land and trade 50 points of units for assured VP will force them to have to keep units back protecting their home objective and no man's land objectives, costing them a local board imbalance they they could use to potentially destroy one of your units. It's not always about killing things, it's about winning, which is about scoring consistent VP.

The Militarum Tempestus Command Squad does not have the keyword Voice of Command and is not able to give orders by itself. You can attach a comissar which can give orders. But strictly speaking, Scion Cmd cannot give orders on its own.

The 15-man setup with Gaunt's Ghosts redeploying close has cleaned the enemy backline on multiple occasions

I don't think you can do +1 save as they have 3+ saves already.

I've 4 10 man squads of them, each one has a vox caster, hot shot and a special weapon. should i bin them vox caster and add 2 more special weapons to each squad?

I've yet to beat this Guard 2000pt army:

70pts Militarum Tempestus Command squad x5
100pts Tempestus Scions x10
50pts Tempestus Scions x5
50pts Tempestus Scions x5
50pts Tempestus Scions x5
50pts Tempestus Scions x5

100pts Gaunt’s Ghosts x6

125pts Chimera + Catachans x10
125pts Chimera + Catachans x10
125pts Chimera + Catachans x10

145pts Vanquisher
145pts Vanquisher
145pts Vanquisher

240pts Rogal Dorn
240pts Rogal Dorn
240pts Rogal Dorn

I started a Scion army in 2014 when their supplement codex came out. The one trick I can say with Scions in the Taurox Prime is the fact that you can add two leaders to the unit, which I do a Primaris Psyker and a Commissar. Having the Honor and duty order has allowed me to steal objectives from someone has gotten me a number of objectives. But the big part of it is the Fire Support ability and the Storm Troopers ability affecting the Psychic Maelstrom - focused witchfire to reroll hit rolls and reroll wounds for the devastating wounds triggering to melt a target.

Don't forget because of how the datasheet is for the Tempestus command squad, You can take Both the Standard and the medi-pack on 1 model

First you choose to give 1 model the Medipack and gives it a Hell gun + others options, Then you give it the standard as it's not replacing the hell gun it's just being given the standard,

Now you have 1 model that has both and the other 3 guys can be given Special weapons.

Honestly they’ve been fun to fill 6 max 10 mans out with, I just swapped my melta to volleys with plasma. Command squad with rod and grand strategist does a lot too