Why You Should Use Stock Plugins

love this

wow i cant believe you're using a px1 mic and the noise floor is super low !!!!

Understood this and Head Shaking, fist Bumping Elbows Pumping Son of a scratchy dog. FAN from HSC 2017 I am just getting into the recording stage use of S1 and you are a Logic Lump O Fun still

You're a real inspiration. Thanks

The best advice in music production is: 'LIMIT YOUR OPTIONS'...

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This is probably the most helpful mixing video I have watched. I'm gonna stick with just Presonus peppered with some UA when I need it, and then focus on that source. 💪🏽

Studio One plugins are very pro.

great video, great advice

I like D verb the one in pro tools I used almost all the time and always go back when I don’t

I'm a stock plugin guy and I also have a very limited list.. Nice video

People seem to forget that all music pre-mid 00s was mixed using a very limited set of hardware. In fact if it wasn't from a so called "Top40" - it was mixed using mostly just a basic EQ on a whatever mixer itself, a pair of effect units and maybe a master bus compressor (or maybe a drum bus compressor as well). And that was it. And it all sounded good. Most of that hardware wasn't even clean sounding.

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great video Joe,thanks for sharing!

This is why I liike you!

Is there a way to get that cool splitter plugin on studio one artist version..? I don't see it as a part of add on..

Use the plugins that YOU want to use. Who cares if they are "stock" or not.

I love this because I know this is true because I have done construction all my life and I didn’t buy the more expensive tools I used what I could afford and hone my skills with those tool.

I know some that has all the experience tool and I do better work with my cheaper tools than them with there expensive tools
Your skills need to be honed
and mastered with what you have then you will see you may not need the more expensive tool

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I agree 100%, then after knowing this I spent days installing plugins. Many are instruments to be fair

Some stock plugs can be very good...and always check them out...but let's be honest here, most people who only use stock plugs usually can't/don't want to spend money on something better.
It's your music...use the best you can on it.

I make amazing mixes and masters with FL Studio stock plugins... You don't need anything else. Maybe you can get some extra help with them but they are just an extra.

Makes perfect sense.

Less processing and they update for free without subscription 😅

Now I don't feel so bad about my studio looking sort of disorganized, nothing matching, and not so modern looking, like Gregor's! Your studio looks a lot like mine and I love it, because you feel comfortable and it looks inviting. As far as Stock Plugins go, they are the ones that I trust, because I have problems with other Plugins, with a few exceptions like UVI or MeldaProduction, possibly Ozone.

Hi Joe!!! This is Mars here. Thanks for taking your time asking me through an entery video. There's too much info and too much options in the market sold out as the best emulation or the closest to hardware that we tend to lose focus of making music and understanding the usage of tools. Perfections is the enemy of music and fewer options fewer distractions. I have 3rd party plugins but I always tend to grab the fat channel first and try to make it do the same as the 3rd party. If it make it? So I erase the 3rd party one and use the fat channel. But everytime I evolve in this profession I tend to erase bunch of useless marketing -hype stuff in my hardrive. Some people will defend the 3erd party sruff to death couse they paid for them. Keep it up Joe and please make more stuff using fat channel. Regards from Argentina. Mars

agree 99%, with an asterisk. The stock stuff (in PT and Ableton, which are the DAWs I use) can do pretty much everything, if you know what you want. The "great" third-party plugins, if they really offer anything, generally either a) dial in faster or b) make experiment & discovery easier.

As an example of (a), Waves RVox compressor is essentially one knob: "more." Super simple and quick, to get a vocal (or wind instrument!) to sit where you want it. I can get the same result essentially with one or two stock PT compressor(s), one dialed in fast & light to grab the transients, one slow & deep to smooth things out. But RVox just gets you there in four seconds... most of the time.

Meanwhile, as an example of (b), plugins like Valhalla SuperMassive or Unfiltered Audio Triad let you flip through radically different sounds and discover things, even when you don't know what you're trying for. This can bring inspiration when you need something but don't know what.

Love this concept, Joe. Keeping it simple. Saving time, saving money, less stress. Except removing mouth clicks from my vocals. Is it just me who feels like all clicks have to be gone? And I don't think there are stock plugins for that?

I never use third party plug ins…you’re playing a losing game of compatibility/update issues when you do

Joe, I'm a guitarist who has never in his life owned a Les Paul nor a Stratocaster. I've owned axes much like those iconic guitars, but never any of them. They are no longer on my bucket list. Why not? Because I've gotten into working on my own guitars and have improved several of them to the point where I no longer feel the need to get the icons as much. Sure, I still have the gear lust for them -- that's never going away unless I break down and buy them -- but the guitars I really need are the ones I have and have elevated. I REALLY OWN these axes, and would have to do much work on the icons to feel ownership to the same degree. Are the icons and other guitars I don't have better? Depending on the guitars, YES, they are, and I want them ... but I don't need them.

'Nuff said.

I agree that the actual recordings need to be done well and you don't need multiple plugins of the same type, BUT there is something to be said for limitations of stock plugins and 3rd party plugins that are more efficient. I love the stock EQ but I don't love the stock reverb. The stock reverb is very limited. Also the type of music will definitely change how effective/efficient some plugins are.

Processing load is a reason, too: with a big rock production (ca. 60 audio tracks) and only stock plugins I have a little more than 25% processing load in an old i7 computer. But, if I use, for example, an Abey Road reverb from Waves in one track, I have immediately 25% more load.

AMEN !!! You are correct If people would spend their money in better mics and even preamps they would probably be happier than pulling up an EQ like you mentioned and spent wasted time trying to figure what’s the best one to use. Just stick to a handful of them and make music! ;).

analog emulations never gonna sound like real thing>you'll get more analog sound by using good clean digital plugins

I'm using two different DAWs. I do a little bit of track crossover from one DAW to the other, such as making a beat or some weird synth part in Ableton Live Suite and exporting it to send to Logic. For me it helps to have a handful of paid mixing plug-ins (mostly from FabFilter) so that they work the same way in both DAWs. That said, the stock compressor in Logic is fantastic and I use it all the time.

Some very good advice here. I'm guilty of having spent heaps of money on plugins that I haven't used yet. Not sure I agree with your comment on cheap petrol Joe, I would never put it in any car of mine.😊

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Totally agree. A friend of mine bought lots of high end gear and plugins. It didn't make better music. Some of my best sounding mixes were done using Reaper's stock plugins and a decent third party reverb. The rest is making the right tweeks and right decisions. I am pretty sure a world class mixer, if stuck using only stock plugins, would still manage to produce an awesome sounding mix. You read this and you know I'm right. There aren't any magic tricks.

i love the stock plugins, aldo i like the quality more of the one of steinberg. but on the other hand i like some special plugins for what the can do more from studio one mix tool and pipeline, they are just amazing

Great video. So to sum up...GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out), or, to put it bluntly, You Can't Polish a Turd :)

I always hiccup on the analogy about gasoline. The expensive gas isn't better or more volatile. It's just expensive.

Stock Logic + Soundtoys purely for fun, that’s all!

So true. I work in Ableton Live and even so I have some great third party stuff I like stock plugins a lot.

Your wife does the home renovations?

Hey Joe, I'm going crazy with this. I'm trying to use Mai Tai. It plays but it won't record. I think my settings or inputs are wrong but not sure what. Sure could use your help.

Hi Joe, great video. I use a similar approach, but instead of stock plugins I only use Fabfilter for EQ, Compression, FX and nothing else. This has meant I’ve really learnt these plugins more deeply, and I don’t have decision fatigue. This has also meant I’ve stopped paying for a load of upgrades for plugins because there was a time when I just bought everything. I’ve also done the same with synths, guitar plugins etc.. Less is definitely more. The other advantages of using Fabfilter rather than stock plugins is I can take my knowledge of the plugins to another DAW when I need to

Regardless of how many plugins you have, you generally only have a few go to ones that you use

Case in point. I recently revisited a mix with guitars I recorded 18 months ago. When I was very, very green. Remixed a great drum and bass sound but no matter what I did I could not get a decent guitar sound. Tried every EQ and plugin. Then realised the source was poor. Recorded them with better knowledge and recording technique and all I had to do was use a stock EQ to low cut, dip some mids out the way of the snare and lift at 2k. Nothing else and the mix is night and day better.