Classic - How To ACTUALLY Play Paladin in HARDCORE WOW

Good guide! I would like to add some consumables which will make up almost half of your damage or even more:

- Dragonbreath Chili (lvl 35)
- Oil of Immolation (lvl 31)
- Shield Spikes (Requires BS, not lvl bound so in theory u can go straight for a Thorium Shield Spike)
- Spellpower elixirs (Helps a lot with concecration damage)

There are a handful of shields that do damage when you block or get hit. Highly recommended to go after some of them:

- Thermaplugg's Central Core (Gnomeregan)
- The Green Tower (BoE - Epic around 40g - 70g)
- Skullflame Shield (BoE - Epic around 600g - 700g)
- Crest of Retribution (Stratholme)

Stack some of these and you will be an absolute unit in dungeons and AoE farming. Most of these tips come from
Kargoz his guides when they were still up and it was smooth sailing to 60 in the Hardcore addon.

just started my paladin lvl 17 in hc i have blackwatercutlass and for shield scouting blucker of the gorlia green tented googles firebanecloak raiders gaunlets of the bear stormbringer belt raider legs of the bear raids boots with ring of the moon n lead band of the eagle gnomish universal remote not tying to brag is this a good set?

This is how I leveled to 60 on unofficial hardcore. After level 47-ish you can just pull like six mobs at the same time and aoe them down, massively increasing your leveling time. I shaved like 1 hour per level off from 47 to 60 doing it like this.

I dont want to bash the content creator but I know there might be people like me looking around alot for different build ideas. I have played a similar build to this for hours and hours. Do NOT do it! Yes its good for finding groups to dungeons But with the daily HC dungeon cooldown that does not mean much. You are left with extremly slow leveling speed. You can semi viable go Prot for leveling once you can specc into both concecration and blessing of sanctuary at around level 40. I did this cuz I like the Prot paladin But its still slower then Ret. Where I felt it started to shine was at 50+ but that was mostly because of the really good aoe spot in WPL

13 minutes to tell people to just got holy and spam flash of light?

That Billy Madison scene springs to mind.

Yo really appreciated this vid

looking for his Suf profile or something like it

What gear are we looking to wear while using this build? anything with int/spr/stam? or should only use like mail armor. Thanks for any advice.

Lvl 43 Ret and game has been a walk thus far

You need to change the title to " How To ACTUALLY Tank as a Prot Paladin in HARDCORE WOW while levelling", cause this is dogggggshit compared to straight 2hnd Ret, i would never suggest this niche group build to anyone starting out as a Pala lol. But to AoE farm and 1 maybe 2 dungos per day in a group setting doing negative damage then this is fantastic lol

I feel like this was verbatim Pallytimes info from like 2 months ago.. but you did put it out a lot cleaner then he tends too. Spirit is the truth btw~! Do it if you are not.

Hey Straofc, I really appreciate your vids man. You have inspired me to make a AOE pally. I have a lot of gold from my main. Is there any way you can recommend a level like 25 BIS and a level 42 BIS. Should I get firey or should I get spell power and on what weapon. what gear and sheild is the best? Any consumes etc. I raelly appreciate any advice!!!

If you do go Ret, what's wrong with taking some Eagle and Gorilla gear?

very informal video re rolled paladin after i fucking instantly dcd on my 49 mage aoeing turtles southern tanaris.. apparently if you jump frost nova it instantly disconnects you from the game.. i had 5 turtles on me and while i dcd, i instantly logged in and spammed iceblock..it was too late fuck DC"s..never died to stupid shit except DC.... wtb som 2 or classic fresh

I thought playing the paladin was easy, it's pretty complex. That must be why I've already killed two paladins in hardcore.

Check out Pallytime215 who also recommends the same thing, Stam/Int Of the eagle mail gear, and a fast 1 hander

The likelyhood that you'll find Mail (and later Plate) gear, regularly, that has Int/Stam is very very low.
You either need a bunch of money for the AH or a bunch of luck in your random drops, because quest rewards will not be your friend.

Because of this, I think it's probably a better/safer bet to take Divine Strength instead of Divine Intellect, because you will find lots and lots of Strength gear, and the extra DPS will probably mean the difference between needing that one extra heal Divine Int might get you vs not needing it at all.

I'd also say that, unless your goal is to tank, it's probably a good idea to jump out of Prot and into Ret after you get Blessing of Kings. Blessing of Sanc would be great, but getting there requires spending a lot of bad points. You're probably better off getting 5/5 Benediction, 2/2 Imp Judgement, 3.5 Deflection, and 2/2 Pursuit of Justice.
The mana savings, faster judging, and extra movement speed will be much more valuable than the filler before Blessing of Sanc, and Blessing of Kings is plenty good all on it's own that Sanc loses some value.

You're now also in a great position to just increase your DPS, and with Paladin DPS being slow regardless of how you play, any increase is welcome.
Whether you want to use 1h or 2h will mostly be preference, but you can drop a point in Seal of Command in case you find a sweet slow 2her. Otherwise, just stick to the golden rule: <3.5 speed, use Righteousness, >3.5 speed, use Command.
From here, grab a lil extra Crit from Conviction (always welcome), and 2/2 Imp Aura of Retrobution, which you were probably using already so making it better just makes all the sense.
Next you can finish out Conviction and then decide whether to go 3/3 Vindication (1h) or 3/3 Two-Handed Weapon Spec (2h, obv). Since you have Seal of Command, Two-Hand spec is probably better, but to each their own.
Finish out Deflection to 5/5 and then drop your last 4 points into Vengeance to hit 60. Now you can either regear and respec Holy to raid, or just Mak'Gora until you lose. ;)

Holy fuck... I have been playing WoW since 2005 but have somehow missed that 1h specialization applies to all damage. I have always assumed it just applied to my weapon damage, this changes it from a "if you have spare points" to "must have" talent!
I'm so glad I watched this video! :D

Dunno about this. Its 5 % difference overall. Play what you like. I say we have too many defensives to play 1h and shield. Mana proplems? Where? You judge and reseal then the 5 second rule and by the time you get to the next mob you full

Traded str for spirit as a test. Really interesting results.

Great regen and suprisingly good for dungeons. Level 38 on HC with 160 spirit, and it helps a ton with clear speed.

Open world, its nice to have so much regen. It feels like a cozy blanet when you get 160ish mp5 without SoW. You really have to lean on 5 second rule.

The HP regen from spirit is also very nice to have. If you're missing a little life after a fight, sit down. Sprit to health regen/tick (2seconds) is 0.25. This is increased by 50% when you sit. 160 spirit gives 40hp2, or 100hp5. Sitting makes it 150! You can keep 5 second rule going and top off health quickly.

Cheers and 🍻!

I want to take holy sheild simply for the extra survivability. Lets say i have it on and get disconnected it could help me live long enough.

No holy shield for tank spec? facepalm

Trade the int for spirit the most op stat in vanilla

Bruh you cant end the prot paladin guide with "this is the first time tanking as a paladin in classic"

when do you replace searing blade and go sword and board?

what are that nameplate addon ?

The problem with Defense talent is that we have 2 talents that need us to be crit to work. Redoubt and Reckoning. I would maybe take Toughness

Yeah your right my stuff is to long form. I just recently made a shorter one. People were asking. But thx for making one.

hmm

I see you played some TBC, that's cool. TBC pally is def my favorite version even though Holy is underwhelming. As for classic... I healed my way to 60 on Bloodsail Buccs while specced into Ret. I'm sure tanking is more fun. You'll probably have better opportunity for groups as a tank while leveling. Lots of warr tanks are skeptical of pally healers because they are worried about loot. Maybe I missed it, but does pally tank spec work well for leveling outside of dungeons? Given we are locked to 1 ID per dungeon per day we aren't going to be spamming them.

All those comments about endgame pve lol. Hardcore is all about leveling for most people snd Paladin is one of the most reliable classes in that regard. If you want to raid in HC you switch to Holy

I would love more videos on the topic. I am new to paladin hardcore. There's so much to learn.

Wtf

Paladins don't scale well with any stats, except stam and int.

I'm going to disagree with every time you said, "this is op" No Paladin talent is overpowered, they are all underwhelming since the class is underwhelming.

I've been playing paladin in Wow since Oct 2005 and after going through the recent classic version I finally came to the conclusion Paladins are the worst designed class in Classic.
Redoubt is a tanking talent requiring the tank to get a critical strike which is stupid, tanks should get rewarded for avoiding damage not get rewarded for taking it. Reckoning is not OP. For an Arm warrior it might be, but for the weakest designed class in the game it's not close to being OP. If it proc'd all the time it would make the paladin a lot more fun, but I don't think if would even be overpowered then.
I was going to give my recommended build, but every time I got to a talent that should be good, it's just not. Paladin base damage is bad, and the scaling is bad, too. Surviving is the best thing you can do and I don't know if any talent that gives you a % better damage will make a difference because 10% better damage of 12 damage is just 13 damage.

It's still a good video with good advice, but for anyone who hasn't played paladin or any other "hybrid" class in Classic the damage and damage scaling with gear is disappointing.

-Use modern target frame to see the % of threat on mob. Especially useful as tankadin.
-Int/stam is the way as you said. "of the eagle" is the gear to check the AH. Fast weapon for sure, the Knightly longsword with seal of wisdom will makes dungeon tanking so much better.
- Engi is mandatory, from cheap dynamite to pull, the trinket that gives some mana early on, target dummie for emergency aoe taunt etc.
- Using salvation on dps and wisdom for healer will make runs smoother and safer. Adding bonus is that you can stick with auto attacking wisdom on packs (mana gain is threat as well). Hard cleave dps like a warrior might take aggro but who cares he can take some punishment.

Pallytime has no idea about pve, his whole 4 hour guide is filled with false statements and assumptions btw, at least you got some Things correct that he didnt