Mark Refuses To Save A Shooter's Life | ER

We've included a compilation of the events leading up to the final scene to remind you what happened. Do you think what Mark did was justified?

Gotta tell ya life was a lot simpler as an Infantryman. There it was our job to dispense Death,

All you really had to do was, learn to live with it. Sometimes that was not so easy.

And sometimes it was.

Angry patient thrashes and gives stank eye while in VFib...ah the days before medical shows had physicians on their writing staff.🤣

A father will do anything for his children.

Cold and unethical.

This is why bias should be recused if possible. It’s a good rule. I would not convict him in these clear circumstances even though I would not be good with it

... & that's how you deal with that shit. The end.

It's a fucking tv series scene and people comment on it like it was about a question of some moral epitome. Grow up.

Mark should have been arrested for manslaughter. . . . . He defied his OATH. . . .

Tonight on pre meditated murder: This guy!

oh she gave those two some Alone Time

cops draw guns in a heartbeat

the house looks exactly like the Charmed manor

I know this is fiction. But dont fight the system in the streets with a gun. Get a lawyer, do what the assessment and service plan says, and handle it in court.

Ngl I can't condone this. As a doctor imo it's not your right to chose who gets to live or die, no matter how deplorable. If you do, you're a bad doctor.

There are killings by commission and killings by omission.

Back before there were video cams in elevators

The coco from fame

I dont blame Mark

now he's a murderer,

This is very unethical. Also, wouldn't there have been a security camera in the elevator? Or is that not a thing during this time (90s?/early00s) in the US?

This is how I wish the manga/anime Monster should've ended.
A doctor's duty is to save people, not monsters...and some lives are simply beyond saving.

Justice!

Let's be clear --- if he'd simply hesitated and the guy died, then it would be truthful to say he 'refused to save a shooter's life'.

But that he keeps discharging the paddles that aren't touching the guy makes this premeditated murder.

Argue about whether he did right or wrong, but be clear what it was.

FFS. They kidnapped his son with very little evidence. They started all this.

There's something I've been wondering about ever since I saw this years ago. Wouldn't there be some sort of evidence that the paddles were used? Something like burn marks on his chest where the paddles made contact?

Things that homicide detectives/coroner's office would've figured out:

- Elevator had deliberately been stopped
- Defibrilation was not actually performed
- Last person seen with alive victim had clear motive

Gotta love that 90s television writing

Incredibly unrealistic and idiotic show

A patient with a shockable heart rythm would never be concious and able to keep eye contact. 😅

Did Dr. Greene get away with it?

Talk about a shocking ending!!!

Don't fuck with people who make your food and don't fuck with the doctor who has to save your life.

Interesting how murder comes in so many forms.

I am really, really, really creeped out by all the "Oh, ethically, this was wrong, but as a mom -- that's the only identity I have by the way -- oh I woulda done the same thing" comments. What the doctor did is called murder (probably negligent homicide is the best you could get him on). He not only failed to provide care, he ensured that care could not reach the guy.

I understand the concept of drama, and as a dramatic piece, it's stunning, but the actions by the character are wrong. You don't have situational ethics. That so many real-world medical professionals (at least, people claiming to be medical) are defending these fictional acts, is appalling.

I haven't read all the comments. Does anyone lament that the guy wasn't saved so that he could be shipped to a lab for experimentation or slowly tortured to death in the public square? Doctors don't get to pick and choose. It's an absolute. Like the seal of the confessional for a priest or attorney-client confidentiality for a lawyer.

I never saw this scene until today having lost interest in the show earlier. Does the doctor ever exhibit regret? Does he atone? Or, wait, I forgot, it's his family, and heck, family and faith, faith and family, (pause to choke up), faith, faith, family, family.

Was it wrong? Does he tell his wife? "I let the bastard die in the elevator. I stopped the car between floors and let his heart go into full defib and then I faked the paddle."
"Oh, darling! How macho! I've been killing off the elderly for years now."

Sweeeet

Even to a guy like me, that's cold.

Not an expert, but wouldn't they have known Mark didn't shock him by looking at the strip? Wouldnt there be a jump in the rhythm when shocked?

What if the patient was black?

Sometime medicine can intervene or not intervene. Be a good person and this wont happen to you.😉

The patient had an amazing ability to be conscious and alert while in V-Fib. That's ok, it wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic if he had already blanked out once his heart stopped perfusing. But to answer your question, no he wasn't justified. Understandable, but still in no way legal or even moral.

Now I'll step off the soapbox and say, if I were Dr. Greene, well, since it never happened anyway. he did his best to save the patient. An no one else was present to argue.

Wow, scumbag patient, scumbag doctor.

what that doctor did
disturbed me very much .

Is that River Song?

Carefully consider provoking people. Simple.

reminds me of that scene in EXTREME MEASURES

Elevator camera

Who the fuck does mark think he is? He's no better than the killer here

Mark belongs in jail for this neglect of medical duty. This is murder by proxy. No murder is ever justified, especially not revenge murder like this

Just a friendly reminder that Mark is acting exactly like a sociopathic killer here, and if you agree with what he did, you're talking/thinking like a sociopath as well. Hard pill to swallow but it's true