It's a German Thing... 【Cecilia / Hololive EN】

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Wow, this is actually really cool! It’s like a peek behind the curtains. I love seeing people so technical stuff.

Same as in Poland, though rest of the world is weird

She is so talented!

I knew in german B is H from detective conan

You should make more behind-the-scenes videos. So cool!

Whoa she’s creating her own background music? That’s so sick

I remember learning H when i was little, but i reckon that has changed by now. Since, y'know, it's dumb.

But another quirk is that i have always been taught to start the scale at C. So it would go
C-D-E-F-G-A-H
and from that point of view it's A that's the odd one out! H comes after G, so why is there an A squeezed in between them? 😅

Spitfire Audio LABS - great sounding plugin btw

It's +s or +es for remaining flats:
B Es As Des Ges Ces Fes

And +is for sharps:
Fis Cis Gis Dis Ais Eis His

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) an extra -es or -is is added for double sharps or flats.
(Bes or Heses), (Fisis)

And BH is how you get from music theory to cup sizes. (BH is German for bra, and since German and English are so similar, you can translate it as Bust Holder.)

Ah yes…

B A C H

ah yes the reason why my music grades were always shit and made me not want to have anything to do with music

👍!

Classical and electronic go together surprisingly well. For years the German international broadcaster Deutche Welle would play Musica Fantasia by Rondo Veneziano, glorious.

One of the best outros. Lives in my head rent free 🙏🏼

Cursive lowercase b and h can be mistook, but people usually use uppercase for notes, so idk

She is just like one of your silly girl friend that very fun to hang out with

ooo shes using LABS, Cultured

Cute clip! I missed the full context live so i was curious what she was talking about.

Also thank you for using my art 😁

The germans always trying to be different smh

"I would not put my hand into fire for this one."
Guys. We got one. We got a holomember whose English is the yellow from the egg. Finally. Somebody grill me a stork, old one, I think my pig whistles.
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Ach ja, und diese Kommentarsektion ist hiermit Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland, aber das ist selbstredend.

The h note let Bach spell out his own name in his music
B-flat, a, c, b-natural: B, A, C, H

abcdefg
omfg, i didnt know that it was just the alphabet. i just learned it from c to c, not a to a. so i learned it from scratch, manually, with effort as just as random strings. i never made the connection
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the h also was a massive red hering

same in finland it's dumb

OMG STOP AT THE NEXT OCTAVE, YOU CRAZY PERSON

I'm German but i never learned that with the h...

nice cecilia german.

That one stupid monk with too much power. Yeah, obviously it's AHCDEFG... that's the only thing that makes sense.
...like I get that h and b can look similar if written clumsily,... but c'mon man, really??!

fun fact which has nothing to do with music but with the letters BH: BH in german stands for "busenhalter" and means "bra" :D

you are welcome for the cultured knowledge o7

i only ever knew the german way and until this moment i never even questioned it. my life will never be the same

actually the bad handwriting is a myth, the reason for "B-rotundum" (B flat) becoming B and "B-Quadratum" (Natural B) becoming H, is printing, they didn't had letter types for a B flat and went: well the H is technically a quadratic B so H is B quadratum, an B as the round version becomes B rotundum

What an interesting topic to make a clip about!!!

I get that there's historical reasons, and it works fine when you've learnt it, but I honestly find the english system way simpler.

There is no B flat because its forbidden in germany to flatten the B.

We also sort of use the german system in Sweden. Germans seem to have been aware of both because Bach literally spelled out his own name through notationin one of his last pieces. B.A.C.H(B). So germans knew people used B overseas.

Flash!

Thunder! her

the person who we can thank H for is currently burning in hellfire

Didn't know Virtual Riot was into vtubing, guys.

I never heard someone counting notes like that.
It's C D E F G A H C...

I was so confused as a kid why it's H and not B. Even as a child I was asking "Is it not the alphabet? A to G?".

I kinda want to say "b is not that flat..." XD

IT'S NOT GERMAN THING, IT'S THE ENGLISH THAT IS THE OUTLIER HERE. C D E F G A H C, C H A G F E D C ~

i thought it was gonna becme a dirty joke about chest size.

So for anyöne wondering why the German musical standard is A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H, it’s because of early music theory. There was a thing called the Gamut, which spanned G2 to E5 (a 20th for you interval nerds), and it was used for identifying all the commonly used notes for singers and instruments to use. The notes went (in a very oversimplified way) A-B-C-D-E-F-G as per normal, but there were two different B’s that existed, B Molle (Soft B) and B Durum (Hard B). The hard B was made with jagged lines and very quickly started to look like the modern day natural sign; the soft b looked much like a normal lowercase B, and looked identical to the modern was flat. The Hard B was used for B Natural while the Soft B was used for B Flat. As music went on, people would use the soft b to show they wanted a B Flat in a note, which was really just putting a flat, and if they wanted a B Flat to be a B Natural, they would use the Hard B, which functioned as a Natural Sign as well as a Sharp for a time. With that in mind, the Natural Sign (♮) and the Sharp (#) both sort of look like H’s: the natural sign looking like a lowercase h (or a sharp lower case b as it used to be) and the sharp looking like an uppercase h (though to the sharp’s credit it was often rotated 45 degrees and showed up later in history. Now if you’re still here I’ll explain how this note naming worked, first by example and second by explanation:
The notes of the Gamut are as followed:
Γ (Γut/Gamaut)
A (Are)
B (Bmi)
C (Cfaut)
D (Dsolre)
E (Elami)
F (Ffaut)
G (Gsolreut)
a (alamire)
♮ (♮mi) / b (bfa)
c (csolfaut)
d (dlasolre)
e (elami)
f (ffaut)
g (gsolreut)
aa (aalamire)
♮♮ (♮♮mi) / bb (bbfa)
cc (ccsolfa)
dd (ddlasol)
ee (eela)

That’s the gamut… Probably doesn’t make sense, so maybe look up a picture of a Guidonian Hand as I tell the rest of this.

In Early Music Theory (and yes I will use capitalization for such a great topic), there were 3 types of hexachords (6 note scales), Molle (soft), Durum (hard), and Naturale (Natural/Neutral). The Molle Hexachord spanned F-D, with a Soft B, so it was F-G-A-b-C-D (and it should make sense that the Soft Hexachord uses the Soft B). The Durum Hexachord spanned G-E, with a Hard B, so it was G-A-♮-C-D-E (using Hard B for the Hard Hexachord). The Naturale Hexachord spanned C-A (not using b or ♮ thus considered neutral), using notes C-D-E-F-G-A. With these, singers would use their Guidonian Hand to swap notes between hexachords. So if you went starting on G and did G-♮-C-E-F-D-E-a-G, you would use the Durum Hexachord and the Naturale Hexachord, swapping between them. In solmization (old solfège) that would be read: ut-mi-fa-mi-fa-re-mi-la-sol. Basically you swap Hexachords when you start to run out of notes in that Hexachord. Note that when using solmization, you always use Durum or Molle with the Natural Hexachord and will almost never have to go from Durum to Molle or the other way around. As another thing, notes got their old names (alamire for example) because all the notes in that Hexachord are used. a is la in Naturale, mi in Molle, and re in Durum. And notes could be seen in octaves by their letter case, and the lowest octave is in capitals, the next highest is in lower case, and the highest is in double lower case. Then the low G (Γ) is gamma because they wanted to use another alphabet to convey it was a different octave. So there’s your explanation (though overly in depth I think) about why Germany uses H as well as b.

TLDR: H used to be a pointy b (also is modern day natural sign) and represented B Natural, B used to be a normal lowercase b (though a little squiggly) and became the flat symbol, as it represented B Flat. And both of these represented their tones on B because early music theorists considered b flat and B natural to be different notes, as opposed to something like E flat that, in early early music theory didn’t exist, but later was considered a chromaticism of e, while Bb was considered its own note and not a chromaticism of B.

I’m writing this at 3am so God Bless any of you who read this.

What inhuman existence starts the Leiter mit A? ES WIRD MIT C gestartet!
C D E F G A H C

The reason is a bit more complex, it wasnt just a misread from some dude. David Bennet made a good video on that

In the early stages of the western notation system, they didn't have all 12 chromatic notes but some notes like B had two versions: the soft B (B "molle"; Bb) and the hard B (B "durum"; B natural) the hard b was written somewhat quadratic and as book were printed the closest letter to distinguish these two was the lower case h.

yep someone just read it wrong and we never changed it for absolutely no reason