Do Transgender Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage? The Science

Once all womens sporting events have been smashed by biological males, will the woke political system realise their horrific mistake and backtrack? No, they'll justify it all to prevent being utterly disgraced.

Short answer: yes.
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In sport, women and men categories weren't created because they felt different. It's because they are physically different. It's as if a boxing superweight said he should compete in the lightweight category because he feels lighter

I believe this is a very important discussion, and having some data is obviously important, too. However, I believe it is obvious that there an unfair advantage, when fairness is measured about competitiveness (which in sport it practically always is). The first giveaway is that practically all sports associations allow trans males to compete in male sports without any restrictions, while for trans female athletes there are such restrictions if competition is allowed. Second, if there was no advantage for trans females, it stands to reason that there is also no drawback for trans male athletes. Yet, I have still to find a single trans male elite athlete. Even in sports that compensate for strength, e.g., through weight classes like in martial arts, there are no trans male elite athletes.
The big problem with trans female athletes in elite sports, I believe, is that with them competing sports will become less interesting. Let's assume that no trans female athlete had gender conversion so that she could compete in elite sports events. Thus, the number of trans female athletes will probably remain rather low. However, they will dominate in their sports, which makes it less interesting for spectators. If spectators stay away, advertisers will stay away, and the leagues will become meaningless. So, what we have built over the last 50 years with Title 9 will simply disappear again.

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Laurel whatever is a man, let's start from there 😂

😮😮I have no problem with men who want to live their PERSONAL lives cross dressing as women. However, in sports, men need to stay out of female sports.

😮😮Average and older men are breaking female world records right and left. Trans is the plan B for men who could not compete with elite men. The numbers speak for themselves. Plus some of these men are still fully functioning MEN who are just cross dressing.

Mmm what about natural levels of testosterone vary among different racial ethnic groups?
Black men under 50 have in some cases 50% more testosterone than their white male counterparts and they remain disparate until middle age. Black women also naturally possess more testosterone AND more estrogen than white women.
We don’t have racial segregation in pro sports but there are well documented advantages of testosterone production as you and there are natural advantages based on ethnicity.

What a stupid unnecessary question. The deciding condition must be XX vs XY chromosomes nothing else. No discussion about testosterone or other nonsense necessary.

Good work sifting through the research, sadly said research does fail to take into account social causes for reduced performance in women's sports for example women doing critical development for V02max as youth athletes is often performed when it is developmentally ideal for boys, but that happens to be years too late for most girls. I'm not sure how relevant that is considering it is the current state of affairs, but systemic issues with training ideology, research, and which research obtains funding is all subject to systemic sexism.

This is a difficult situation. Unfortunately it so heavily politicized, if the transphobic people would lay off maybe it wouldn't be such a sore topic for trans people and their allies to discuss.

Great video, I like that its evidence based first as a foundation. I agree that fairness is the foundation of competition. You have to minimise variations where possible to compare like with like. However, only one thing i would change, trans women are comfortable with that term of association, therefore i do not see any reasoning why a biological woman category needs to have a name change to accommodate that. Women are women, trans women are trans women. We should not force others to change themselves so much to accomodate a minority where it is not necessary and adveraly effects those asked to change disproportionately.

I have been surprised that females transitioning to male have not used all the same arguments to demand a speaker category for themselves.

"Some of these differences can be mitigated by hormonal therapy".

Well, mitigated is not ELIMINATED. In a British and Australian debate program on TV senior scientists stated that the mitigation can go as far as 25 to 40%. That means man to female athletes still have a clear advantage even after one or more years of hormone therapies.

It would also be interesting to see how big an impact on performance would a full reduction of muscle mass advantage and a 100% achievement of fat body mass (ie, the same level of fat women athletes have on average) have.

The performance of professional male athletes suffers greatly when muscle mass is below a certain threshold, and we all know how professional footballers with 5% more body fat than normal cannot compete at all with other footballers in good shape (I recall the case of Higuain who routinely came back from holidays with 5 to 10 kgs above season weight and what doctors explained in terms of the bias towards injury, increased recovery time, etc, that represented.

Something tells me that, in order for women to accept competing against transgender women, the latter would have to give up entirely on the muscle and body fat advantages - and that would effectively neutralise the advantages of transitioning to women's sports they seek.

Champions don't fear competition, losers do.

It's all about puberty. If they have gone through puberty then no. If they are taking drugs preventing puberty then yes.

Yes transgenders have an advantage argh. No transgenders should be allowed in women sport at all . The should create their own division just like the men do n women do instead of trying to push women out of their own division. It's to easy for some idiot to say they are transgender now .

Please post the studies so that I may use them in arguments.

I see a few issues. You compare the "normal" range of testosteron for women in a setting were most don't fall into normal ranges - when those values even matter. Not to mention the idea of an "even" playing field in sport is ridiculous when shit like funding makes such a big difference and literally can be the only difference between male and female segregation sometimes.

It's also extremely inaccurate in terms of science towards actual differences because it's ignoring that bone length, etc. would only be an issue for people who don't get supported in terms of transition during puberty and early adulthood. And comparing men to women instead of trans women to cis women to make the point that trans women have an advantage is just ridiculous. Men have a lot more advantages. Better training, more funding, literally better technology because they will be researched more.

And "noone is arguing" that shit would be unfair is wrong. Some sex segregation in sports literally only existed after women beat men. Men are afraid of losing fairly, so please, y'all need to stop pretending like y'all are the crown of evolution in everything, all the time and even your weakest untrained men could somehow beat women with decades of experience and the insane willpower do do the same hard training every day. I'm so tired of these dumb tropes and unless we have same funding, training, support, etc. for women as we have for men I'm just gonna assume women are actually inherently better and stronger and just can't live up to their potential because most of us have to deal with not even having full bodily autonomy and while also having to babysit manchildren who think they are they best of the best when they can barely wipe their own arse...

A thing to consider is that a lot of these studies had extremely small sample sizes most under 10 and none over 50 or so which results in us not being able to make any absolut conclusions. Lots of my personal experiences with trans women show that they lose wait more strength compared to these findings which is why lack of sample size is very important to any conclusions.

Also for endurance sports trans men have more of an advantage over their cis counterparts compared to trans women, which can be seen in the hyper endurance relm. This is because women have a higher pain tolerance for biological women is much higher which is more important to endurance compared to raw strength.

I think the solution is to let transgender women compete with CIS gender women, but that their time should receive an * which indicates transgender just like if someone’s running in 100 yard dash and it’s wind assisted. Also, the CIS women competing with still receive the place they finished as if there were no transgender women competing. In other words, if a transgender woman won first place in the hundred yard dash she would receive her medal along with an * by her name, and the CIS woman who took second place would also get a medal for first place, etc.

isn't the mens category already the open category? we just call it mens cause women don't want to join

If you have a pair of nuts and a willy then YOU ARE A GUY !

If they have the right to chose if they feel like male or female, We, the normal people, should have to right to chose if they are male or female!

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something most people fail to mention is other biological advantages cis people have. Like a 6'4 basketball player is significantly advantaged vs a 5'6 basketball player. A situation like that is way more common yet barely is discussed. In my opinion, preventing someone from competing for reasons they can't control is way worse than someone having a biological advantage. It's weird that, when it comes to trans people, it's a big issue but similar issues go completely overlooked.

first world problems is what this is. Can we get on with poverty, hunger...etc first pls?

The problem is that people don't want transgender individuals to do anything in life if they transition after puberty. They don't want them to play sports, they want them to pass so that their existence is more palatable to society etc. And then when they do decide to transition before puberty, these same people have a problem with that as well. So what are they supposed to do? It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

Is the Pope a Catholic? Of course they have an advantage in strength and body mass. Statistics that obtained by meds and additives to their diet, does NOT alter the fact that they cannot have children, and are therefore MEN!! The women in sport have trained for years in their field. And to come in as a man and take the 'prize' is totally unfair, and means these women have wasted years of their lives in training!!!!

I think sport is essentially not fair, for example physically asian man/woman compare to white/black physically. Of course not all but the majority would be White/black has bigger bones, lungs etc but to think of since i played tennis, and i hardly seen any tennis player from my country maybe because the physical disadvantage or maybe the training methods but who knows.

You're awesome. Very well made video! Thoughtful and carefully said.

I’m tired of these small ass studies being taken seriously lol and then people go “ooo science I must be right”

yes.

i think there should be a time limit to allow trans people to compete with cis people, but otherwise i dont really see an issue with it,

There is no need for the term CIS women. For women that were born as women, there already exists a word: women.

Just the fact that women's records are being obliterated throughout sports is completely unfair. What do women have to reach for? This honor will be permanently out of reach. If I were to compete I would be mentally defeated before even trying. So that aspect is pretty much ruined too.

Trans women should not be permitted to compete in high level cis women sports. Participation? Sure, eligibility for awards? No!

Trans supporters are femmephobic. Too much effort was made to lower a glass ceiling and participation for women, starting before WWII. Transgender men posing as women are destroying everything that was gained. I do not understand why feminists are not rebelling. They must have spent to much time in the liberal column and now it is coming back to haunt them.

Most dialogues about this controversial argument, are so controversial that people usually lie, fake, and fear monger to push their agenda above anything else. It's unfortunate we live in a nation were half the people outright refuse to see beyond their biases, they refuse to progress beyond their isms, and phobias. This results in so many inconsistances, so many misdirects, that we need to collectively get over.

I hope that eventually the scientific class can finally prioritize these studies in a hopefully unbiased way, I hope that we all can learn exactly real and truthful.

Thank you guys for reading, I hope you don't let biases blind you to what is real, and that everyone here, have a good day!

I think you nailed it with the question of inclusion versus fairness. The two sides are yelling at each other defending completely different points.

How sad !!!

Seems like the levels should be below 2.5 or 5. What would happen if a biological female had testosterone levels above 2.5, or 5? Biological women are banned for levels over 2.5, or 5.

This is not a tough one for me. I support LGBTQ rights but having an advantage is not a right. I always thought testosterone was enough of a test and it still maybe. I mean in sports there is no height max so maybe the difference in bone doesn’t matter🤷🏽‍♀️. But if the cardio differences are factual I think scientist need to do more research. Until that’s done they should not compete at a competitive level. Sadly even in high school trans athletes should be unable to place because of these differences. The reason we’d start here is High school leads to college try outs and colleges don’t care about 3rd, 4th and 5th place. So if those girls place lower because of a trans girl they were robbed of an opportunity. I also think the silence of any female pro athlete speaks volumes. If they thought it was a balanced competition they’d say it and then I wouldn’t feel we need to protect them.

Please stop calling Women, Cis Women. We find it offensive and disrespectful.

Yes, trans women are, ON AVERAGE more biologically more gifted than real women. Common f ing sense. You might say "on average yeas" doesn't matter, as trans woman is taking a place of a woman who would have otherwise had it.

No!

They most certainly do, but it doesn't matter because they should be in a mental institution, not competing in spirts.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are there transmen competing with regular men, or it's only female sport that suffers from such active participation of transpeople? And is it not possible to "magic" with the hormones several months before the competition to pass as a transwoman and then go back to training as a man? Cheating has always been part of human culture; it is unlikely that transpeople can be somehow not inclined to it by some mysterious virtue :) Especially if they prevail in female competitions and not in male competitions.