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Who is good to music rz50 or rz70??

How dare you call me impotent!

If you're powering your speakers externally, use an Integra control amp, instead of an Onkyo amplified receiver. You're paying for features you're not using, but that still add more THD (which isn't as simple, or clear-cut as you imply.) Also, if you do use internal power, just look at the difference in the amplifiers inside of the receivers to see what you're paying for. It's not just the power rating, but the build quality, type of amp, etc. This is why a Pass Labs class-A amplifier will cost a lot more than an Emotiva class A/B of the same "power rating (RMS.) Sure, the RZS50 is cheaper, and offers a lot of the same features, which make it a better bargain. PS, Crutchfield is ALWAYS overpriced, and charge MSRP for everything. I can buy an RZ50 right now, BNIB for about $800 by just shopping around a llittle.

I understand sponsorships, but wow this played like a Crutchfield ad!

Hi Ealan, which recievers have pre amp modes? Thanks for your informative videos for newbies like me

The sub hdmi out just duplicates the main. It does 4k120/8k60 as well since the main tv will automatically downgrade resolution and hz to match the capabilities of the tv connected to the "sub".

I'll explain how I personally use the MAIN/SUB HDMI outputs. I have both connected to the same tv. My dumb TCL tv doesn't have 4k@120Hz on the eARC HDMI port, so I use the MAIN as eARC only and all video output routed out of SUB to a 4k@120hz hdmi port on the tv. Things get pretty wonky when you do this. I had to disable CEC to make this work because I end up in a black screen loop with the avr and tv switching endlessly.

It would have been great if Onkyo made the RZ50 with independent sub outputs

Ealan like the channel, but could you spend some time on the HDMI motherboard problem that still plaques the receivers being sold still today! Pioneer and Onkyo tech services, seem to totally disregard the problems still exist. no handshake, drop-outs, no pass thru in standby, can not get the system setup screens. Overall just poor quality and a fair amount of consumers not happy, thanks in advance!

HDMI Sub and main comes in handy if you have a TV and a projector in the same room. One difference (and an important one) you didn't talk about is the weight difference between the RZ50 (30.9lbs) and the RZ70 (48.5lbs). There may simply be better quality components inside other than just the extra amp channels and 2 optical and coax inputs :)

The DACs in rz70 are better, supposedly. But that aside, this guy is wildly annoying in his manner. Hardcore comedy cliche' nerd.

AR's review of the RZ50 is what helped me make up my mind. Also, as you've pointed out, it's the best bang for the buck on a receiver WITH pre-outs. My basement theater is 'on hold' so I decided to upgrade my Den/TV room. It's currently a Yamaha 5.1 only receiver. I was looking for something to do 5.1.4 with, this one was the winner! I'm adding 4 height (on wall) channels onto the ceiling and can't wait to hear what I've been missing! The basement will be a 9.4.4 setup, so this won't be moving when I resume the basement theater. I am not sure yet whether the RZ-50 will cut it for "power", but this is a pretty small room, so I doubt I'll need to add any external amps. MAYYYYBE for the LCR speakers... but I haven't tried it without yet, so that remains to be seen..err... heard ;)

does anyone notice that his res lossless from apple is now supported to earbuds….or is is just me who never noticed?

The RZ50 got very bad measurments results on ASR, which drove off the RZ70. I ended up getting the Denon X4800H instead. I only have two subwoofers, but as soon as Dirac ART or Bass Control becomes an option for Denon, I'll consider getting at least a third sub.

Anyone know what is the dimensions of the RZ70? Dimension is not mentioned anywhere in the Onkyo product page, spec sheet or manual. There are different dimensions mentioned on the internet, specifically the depth.

If you had to rank the Denon X3800, the Rz50, and the Sony 5300ES how would you place them?

Yo Ealan😊

I have a rz50 I run 7.2.4 thanks to you I got the Costco klipsch speakers you recommended 5.0 I added 2 r41 bookshelf speakers and 2 klipsch in ceiling speakers

Thanks Elan you are the best

So with a 2 chnl external amp we can make it as11 channel ryt!? Now planning to upgrade!! But confused btw TXNR7100 vs RZ50

hello ealan, i dont know why the RZ50 is one thousand dollars cheaper in america than australia for me to buy ? the RZ50 is the one that i want , but im getting drawn to the X3800H coz its way cheaper than the RZ50 in OZ , i would love to see a video of RZ50 vs X3800H 🤜🤛 , thanks

I’m looking forward to the integra 8.4 review. 😊

they are both so similar yet the rz 70 is close to 20 pounds heavier, 1 pound heavier per extra watt of power?? lol what is taking 10 extra pounds

how about the sony es str az 500es a little more expensive than the rz 50 but I hear great things about it

Ealan the rz 70 has discrete sub outputs, when I did the comparison in crutchfiled it said so as well weird that you got a different info in your screen

When I was looking to upgrade my Sony AVR, I was looking at the X4700H, and read rumors of the RZ70/RZ90 on Audio Science Review. With the big success of the RZ50, I thought I'd wait for the RZ70 and I could see it being about $2K. Ended up getting sticker shocked at the insane cost the RZ70 and I just got the X4700H after all. I wish it had Dirac, but there are ways around that, and I got Auro. Eventually I'll end up with an HTP-1, most likely in a few years.

There they are. My old love and my new love. My new love is lookin’ a little too superficial though for me!

Elan, I'm sorry, but in this case you (mislead by Crutchfield) are giving wrong information: the RZ-70 DOES HAVE INDEPENDENT subwoofer outputs (otherwise it'd not be able to get the Dirac Live Bass Control Multi-channel option).
Crutchfield has already corrected their site: I've checked right now and it now says "Yes" in the "Discrete Subwoofer Output" field of the RZ-70, you should edit this video.

To me the RZ50 with an Emotiva or Outlaw 5 channel amp is the best 7.1.4 bang for the buck out there.

The RZ70 has Bi-Amp Left, Center and Right channels, I have the RZ50 which you can only Bi-Amp Left and Right channels, Bi-Amping the RZ50 is knight and day, now I do not need separate amps very happy except for now the RZ70 has Bi-Amp Center Channel. Note when you Bi-Amp you give up your ATMOS can you please verify, I rather have Bi-Amp over ATMOS if I had to choose. Sony ES STR-AZ7000ES does not have or show Bi-Amp Left, Center and Right channel.

The rz70 has discrete subwoofer outputs

Thank you for this great comparison tip. However, I found that the info needs couple correction. For example, RZ70 has 2 subwoofers controlled independently. The Crutchfield has revised the comparison for the subwoofer as of now. Also, I would highlight that Auro 3D upmixing is there in RZ70 as an optional update, which is not shown in the Crutchfield comparison.

The RZ50 looks real good. However, I am still rocking my RZ830 from a few years ago. I am going to keep it for a while. maybe the RZ70 will be 1299.99 when i am ready for a change😆

How does the sound of the Integra 5.4 compare to the RZ50? I am 50% music 50% video so I am looking for great sound from my receiver. Anyone know the answer?

To me part of what makes the rz50 special is the insane price to performance ratio. The massive jump in price kinda kills it for me.

I have the older NR797 receiver. Running it in 5.2.4 setup. It sounds great. How much of an improvement would I really be getting stepping up to either of these two? Thanks!

Would you say the Sony 5000 ES is worth that 800 dollar jump over the RZ50 in sound quality alone?

What do you think about these units compared to the Marantz Cinema 50?

Though Crutchfield is great, I'd prefer to say, "Did you Ealan Osborne it?" I'm wondering now if I should've gotten the Onkyo rather than the Emotiva MR1. I'll be posting my review of the MR1 soon. Maybe you and I could do a collab - especially if you're coming to the Boston area?

I love your channel. I can listen to you and understand what you're saying. Thanks for the info man!

Dang it Ealan I didn’t wake up today thinking I was gonna have to consider upgrading my AVR!!! Great video

I’d love a rz70 but not paying more than double the price I paid for the rz50

I really want the RZ70 I'm glad I didn't buy the RZ50 I'm more so hyped up for auro 3d but the price 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Rz 70 has better dacs