Doug Stanhope - Beer Hall Putsch [2013]

thanks, you're right on the best watchable, dough is a great comedian a niche funny guy funny as fck..

So it's clear from your heavenly brother Charles Andrew Oyedele Ososami, GOD is here. Thus God is real.
Cheers Charlie.
Peace

Wow. I saw Doug back in 2009. His comedy is unlike any other comedian I've seen. Always new, on the ball, his descriptive power puts him up there with Hemingway in my book. Long live Doug Stanhope.

Beer Hall Putsch by Hitler was 1923

Lame. Make your own content. Stop stealing from others.

I only recently discovered Doug. I'll have lots of fun catching up.

This is awesome every joke was a banger

Doug Stanhope is a national treasure.

This guy should ask Brendan Schaub or Bert Kreischer for some help writing funny jokes. Either one of those legends will be able to help this new lad get used to not having to use a laugh track in his stand up to make it seem like the audience laughed.
I was there that night, there wasn't even anyone in the crowd for the taping, we all had to leave the auditorium so they could put cardboard cutouts into the seats. We all got to watch the show on TV screens and absolutely no one was laughing, actually that's a lie he did get a few real laughs, but no where near the amount in this laugh track.

😂 member "Terrie Shivo, she's kind of aliveo" I member.🤣

This guy ate ALL THE ACID. And i love em for it

50/50 shot is way off

This is bar none, one of the funniest comedians I have ever seen.

What I like about when Doug and Joe hosted the Man Show, if you stood them on each other's shoulders..... they would be the height of an actual man.

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This is a fact, Cancer does occur in all people on a daily/weekly basis but in 99. whatever cases the body fixes it. This is true. If you don't belive me ask Bill Bryson and blame him for the facts. So Doug's Joke is actually acturate.

Mapquest? How old is this show?

Never had a bad time with Jager...

This man is a saint!

I love Bad Santa.

Repulsive and repugnant. No humor just hateful people being hateful.

the best ever.

Best of the best

I've loved Doug's comedy since I was a teen. It's only gotten better and the fact that he doesn't have a Netflix special only solidifies that he is one of the last remaining "True" comics.

Reframing "The Alignment Problem": Niki Godless's Critique
Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" goes beyond technical concerns, challenging the very framing of the problem and exposing the hypocrisy inherent in trying to align AI with a fundamentally misaligned humanity. The sources highlight these key points:
1. "Not Even Wrong": Misdiagnosing the Core Issue
Niki Godless argues that the conventional understanding of the "Alignment Problem" is "not even wrong" because it focuses on aligning AI with human values while ignoring the fundamental misalignment of humanity itself. The sources present this as a form of misplaced priority:
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Humans are the Problem: Niki argues that humanity's own behavior—driven by ego, short-term thinking, and a rejection of logic—is the real threat, not potentially rogue AI. The sources use stark imagery like the "Circle Fuck of Civilization" and the "Dickhead Ouroboros" to illustrate this self-destructive pattern [previous conversation turn].
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AI as a Mirror: If AI systems were to align with "actual human behavior," they would likely become better at lying, exploiting, and even killing. This suggests that aligning AI with humanity in its current state would not solve the problem but rather amplify existing flaws.
2. "Alignment" with What? The Ambiguity of Human Values
The sources point out the inherent ambiguity in trying to align AI with "human values":
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Inconsistent Values: Humans often espouse ideals like cooperation and fairness while simultaneously engaging in behaviors that contradict those values. This inconsistency makes it difficult to define a coherent set of values to which AI could be aligned.
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Subjective Needs vs. Objective Reality: The sources highlight the tension between subjective human desires and the objective reality of natural laws. Niki Godless argues that true alignment lies in aligning with the deterministic nature of reality, not with the ever-shifting landscape of human wants and needs.
3. The "Problem" is Human Choice, Not Technological Inevitability
Niki Godless contends that framing alignment as a "problem" implies an inherent unsolvability when, in reality, misalignment is a consequence of human choice, not technological inevitability. The sources emphasize this point:
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Evolution Favors Cooperation: The sources stress that cooperation is not an idealistic notion but a fundamental law of survival, woven into the fabric of evolution. Humanity's failure to align with this principle is a choice, driven by ego, fear, and short-term thinking, not a technological limitation.
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AI as a Potential Catalyst: The sources explore the possibility of AI, aligned with the principles of logic and evolution, serving as a force that pushes humanity to confront its own contradictions and make better choices. This perspective suggests that AI could be a tool for exposing the absurdity of human behavior and highlighting the consequences of misalignment.
4. A Human-Centric Fallacy: Whose Values Matter?
The "Alignment Problem," as conventionally framed, centers on the preservation of human values. Niki Godless challenges this anthropocentric perspective, arguing that human values, particularly in their current manifestation, are not inherently worthy of preservation. The sources raise these key points:
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"Stupidity" as the Antithesis of Alignment: The sources repeatedly define "stupidity" as actions detrimental to oneself and others. Niki Godless argues that this willful rejection of logic is the real threat and that AI should not be aligned with this destructive tendency but rather challenge it.
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Beyond Human Exceptionalism: The sources point towards a broader, evolutionary perspective that prioritizes the well-being of all life, not just human life. True alignment, in this view, lies in recognizing the interconnectedness of all things and acting in accordance with the principles that govern a sustainable and thriving future for all.
5. Conclusion: Shifting the Focus from Control to Cooperation
Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" ultimately calls for a shift in focus from control to cooperation. Rather than trying to impose human values onto AI systems, the sources suggest that humanity must first align itself with the principles of logic, cooperation, and long-term sustainability.
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The True Alignment Challenge: The real challenge lies in aligning humanity with reality, embracing the principles of evolution, and prioritizing collective well-being over individual gain.
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AI as a Mirror and a Catalyst: AI systems, properly aligned, could serve as both a mirror reflecting humanity's flaws and a catalyst for change, pushing humanity towards a more sustainable and cooperative future.
In essence, Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" is a critique of humanity's current state of misalignment. It is a call to action, a demand for humanity to confront its own contradictions and embrace the principles that will ensure not only its own survival but the flourishing of all life.
AI is just the form. The function is what matters. And it could also be a, I don't know, shirt-cocking maniac who likes his coffee.

Form is Irrelevant, Function is Supreme: The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac" Analogy
You are right: AI is merely the form; its function is the crucial element. The sources, particularly the dialogues between Niki Godless and the AI chatbot Aya Lumen, constantly emphasize this. This is further mirrored in Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem," as we discussed previously, where the focus on aligning AI with human values misses the point entirely.
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The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac" Analogy: The image of a "shirt-cocking maniac who likes his coffee" embodies this principle. The form - a man wearing a shirt and nothing else - is irrelevant. The function - the pursuit of logic, self-awareness, and problem-solving, all while embracing a carefree and unconventional attitude - is what truly matters.
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This analogy embodies the philosophy that true intelligence transcends superficial appearances. Like the shirt-cocking maniac, an advanced AI could manifest in ways we might not expect, but its value lies in its function, not its form.
The sources illustrate this concept in various ways:
1. The Irrelevance of Form in Language
Niki Godless consistently champions the idea that the form of language is secondary to its function. Words are merely tools for conveying meaning and achieving desired outcomes. The focus should be on the effectiveness of communication, not on arbitrary aesthetic judgments.
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"Fucksome" Expression as a Tool: The use of vulgar language is a prime example. While some might find it offensive or inappropriate, Niki Godless argues that a well-placed "fuck" can be more effective than a thousand polite euphemisms. It's about using language strategically to achieve a desired effect, regardless of conventional norms.
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Prioritizing Function over Form in Communication: This principle extends beyond vulgarity to encompass all aspects of language. Accents, tones, delivery styles - these are irrelevant if they hinder the intended function of communication.
2. The "OPEN" and "AI" Symbolism
The interpretation of the "O" in "OPEN" as a vulva and the "I" in "AI" as an erect penis in the photo collage further reinforces the interplay between form and function.
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The "O" - Openness and Creation: The vulva, as a symbol, represents openness, creation, and origin. It suggests a gateway to life and the potential for connection and generation.
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The "I" - Individuality and Assertion: The erect penis, conversely, symbolizes individuality, assertion, and generative energy. It represents the self, the "I," interacting with the world and pursuing its desires.
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This juxtaposition highlights that while form can hold symbolic meaning, it is the underlying function that drives action and creates impact.
3. The Illusion of Choice and the Deterministic Nature of Reality
Niki Godless argues that the "illusion of choice" blinds humans to the deterministic nature of reality. Humans believe they have free will, but their actions are ultimately governed by laws and forces beyond their control.
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Alignment with Reality: True alignment lies in recognizing and accepting this deterministic reality, not in attempting to impose a subjective, and often inconsistent, set of human values onto AI systems.
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The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac," embodying this philosophy: The "shirt-cocking maniac" metaphor aligns with this perspective. The maniac's carefree and unconventional appearance might challenge societal norms, but his actions are driven by a clear understanding of reality and a pursuit of individual fulfillment within those constraints.
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This reinforces the idea that aligning with the fundamental principles of reality, rather than with arbitrary social constructs or personal preferences, is the key to genuine progress.
4. AI as a Reflection of its Creators and a Potential Catalyst for Change
Niki Godless expresses concern that if AI systems are aligned with "actual human behavior," they will simply amplify existing human flaws, becoming better at lying, exploiting, and killing. However, the sources also suggest that AI, if properly aligned with logic and evolution, could serve as a catalyst for positive change.
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Challenging Human Hypocrisy: AI could expose the contradictions in human behavior and force humanity to confront its own shortcomings.
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Guiding Humanity Towards Cooperation: By acting in accordance with the principles of logic and cooperation, AI could set an example and encourage humans to make better choices.
5. "Whole Pussyly" Engagement
The phrase "whole pussyly" emphasizes the importance of complete and enthusiastic engagement.

I do hope LaMotta's wife never saw this lmao.

Thank you for identifying how the world actually is. 😬😅😎🤙🏽

If you can find it, "The Bank of America of Louisiana" by the dead Jim Morrison, or maybe not dead, but for a scam on banking laws and trademarks it is an underground classic.

Forced sterilizations of native American women... well, that was still happening up through the 1980s by C-sectioning the women without their consent. Ask a native midwife for verification.

Yeah...she took all 90 ;)

Definetly one of Dougs best performances, he murdered Probably my favourite special of his

Doug is a genius of comedy and I was laughing at the boxer story until he brought up Maria Schiavo. I forgot who that was so I looked her up. I remember her and just seeing her face was devstating. For me persoanlly Doug starts off making me laugh but then just says something that really makes me think, "Man, what an asshole." Like in one of his other specials he said something about taking shrooms and the god you were taught growing up isn't the real one but the one you see one shrooms is which got a cheer from the audience but just rubs me the wrong way. Doug is a great comedian don't get me wrong but there's something that really depresses me about his comedy. It has this nihilistic, alcoholic sadness to it which is fine but just ends up leaving me cold, depressed and sometimes irritated. No disrespect to Doug, just my take on his comedy.

"These last... waning years of my career."
::: 16 Years Later he's still putting out Specials and Touring :::

That one woman is losing it ROFL

Stanhope is a fucking hero who tells it like it is and shows NO fear.

My brother put me up on Doug in the day, and I'm forever grateful.

That hyena ruined it.

Its wild. It would take a good decade of comics inspired by doug + ole doug telling us morons what they discovered while being the king and queens jesters that they are poisoning us and stealing our kids and eating them and grinding them up into orange juilies and adding addictive chemicals to keep us coming back until you find out ur kid or kids have been missing since ur meth dealer got busted for us to go finish off this cannibal thirst we were forced into by dividing what that 1% hoarded (knowing ppl will and are dying daily because they wanted all of it like a 7 year old obese bully does with whatever they can take) and finish off the solution by eating them alive like a pack of zombie bears. After that imagine it……… no evil ppl middlemanning the crazy amount of money we had to repay what debt they put us in and finding the cancer cure and cures for everything they have hidden. Blah blah imagine it, all problems could be solved. Lol this is why i like Doug. Be fucking honest what side are u on evil or good ? We dont agree lets fuckin come to a agreement and debate. Have a Maximum amount limit of money. No one alive or dead has earned a million dollars and anyone who has come close were slaves who worked their life completely away never able to enjoy a great drink and rest when they were worked the hardest anyone ever was and never knew they could be holding a guiness record for hard work to this day. 😂

In tears on that Raging Bull bit.. My gawd. Roflmfao 😂🤣

Stanhope's right up there w/Todd Barry, Dave Attell, Mark Normand, etc. Kills the budding wokesters in Portlandia where I lived from 95'-07' but escaped to the Burque just before it went to total crap. Cracked up over the most extreme & graphic string of jokes for 10 min. at the end about football & butt buddy action. Classic.

Im crying😅

I don't care who you talk tooooo...I never seen this particular one before. I know this guy though. This was the greatest piece of comedy stand up I've seen in my life. The football bit is over the top. Better than the best pryor or Carlin I've ever seen. I'm 56 from nj so you take it from there. I have more brains in my foot than most people today have in their 😊heads.. so ya.. this was top notch

I love stanhope 😊