Synology NAS and M.2 NVMe SSD Storage Pools – FINALLY!

Is there a NAS that has only nvme/m2? I just hate spinning disks and a NAS with m2 would be soooo much smaller and faster.

Hello Brother. I understood that Synology approved for use only its SSD/NVMe model, but in practice can I use it on 1522+ brands like WD SN770 or Kingston FURY?

Noooo no NVMe storage pools for my 1019+ :(

Does it support samsung 970 evo m2 for storage pools?

Can you repeat all of that in English now?

Is there any update on whether this is coming to the 920+? I"ve just bought one and considering returning it...

If (just) serving up and backing up files, do synology nas NVME cache benefit from uber speed (7k MB/s) vs. 5k or 3.5k?

Give me a Synology NVME only NAS!

Thanks! I've gone through a myriad of sites to gain an understanding of available NAS options, and your site is THE ONLY site I've found that will allow me to spec out the components of my NAS properly - in other words, the confidence to "know" that what I "think" I know about the service levels I'll receive from my NAS, is actually what I "know" I'll receive from that NAS. Nothing worse than knowing that what you thought you knew, you now know you didn't really know. (unless you're inventing a new light bulb or something). Marketing brochures only get you so far...

@nascompares Now that DSM supports M2 for storage and cache is it possible to do both at the same time? E.g. put 2x4TB in the DS923 and use 4TB for cache and 4TB for data storage? Both in mirrored partitions

So does this mean instead of the 2.5 or 3.5 HDD drives bays for storage , we will be able to use NVME m.2 SSDs for faster storage speeds ? Or is it just casheing? So is this a new NAS system enclosure they will be releasing or is this a current model that will get a update ? I’m confused . Sorry I’m new to this,

Interesting, as I was just looking into getting a NAS after my external classic HDD is taking too long to get going. Anyhow, the first thought I had was, "Can I use m.2 drives to make a NAS even faster?" Turns out - NO. Next thought was, "How about using an adapter from m.2 to SATA?" That said, is that not an option? Thanks.

Thank you! Is there good Nas that fits only SSDs?

Says my kingston m.2's are not compatible, so cannot initialize them. Only the expensive synology 400 and 800GB are on their compatibility list. Is there a workaround?

I've been using an NVME storage pool on my DS918+ for nearly two years now -- which needs some command line volume creation -- which is absolutely brilliant for VMM and Docker use.

Is it also available for DS3018xs? It has PCIe expansion card for adding 2 M.2 NVMe drives. Would I be able to create RAID 1, if buy the Synology branded M.2 expansion card?

Does NVME Storage Pool works via Synology NVME Drives? Can I put Samsung or Crucial NVME Drives in it?

I just read your article about this. Thanks for testing! Storage pools only availble if you use the overpriced Synology SSDs and even if you do so, no possibility to use them as boot drive for DSM. Overall the DS923+ is a joke and partial downgrade to the DS920+. Even the CPU seems to be slower despite consuming more power since it's only a dual core while the J4125 is a quad. Synologys policy reminds me of Apple.

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that would be really awesome and also could justify use of 10Gbe on smaller (less bays) NASes,
NVME SSD offer superior performance even on 1Gbe with tons of small files operations indeed :)

you give such great info thank you so much.

Too bad I own a 918+... However, I wish in the future we are offered super compact NAS system (the size of an old VCR cassette or even a cigarette pack) with only NVME slots (4 or 8) and one or two 10Gbe ETH ports. It's not only about performance: I need a 100% silent NAS. And also an extremely low power comnsumption one. In a couple of year it's possible SSD drivers are going to cost the same as mechanical ones, per TB. When 16TB NVME are out, I think mechanical disks are dead.

Until now, I have no NAS, so please forgive this silly question, but wouldn‘ t it make sense to install DSM for better performance on a SSD?
Could the M.2 NVMe storage on Synology an option to run DSM on it?

PCI-x Gen2 has 2Gbit per second bandwidth, and that is a million miles beyond any sniping rust speed, not to mention IOPS. So there is no reason for Synology not to enable this in DS920+, but greed (if you want it buy new hardware).

It's not a bottleneck if they enable it on 920+. There is no way to get connection to these NASes that exceeds 2GB/s :)

Honestly the PCI-E gen 2 argument is kind of moot; sure it won't give you the full bandwidth of the SSD... but at the same time, it would still not be bottlenecked on things like VM's or other docker containers, it's still worthwhile having. I'm more interested as to whether you can use the solid state drive with multiple partitions; having a mix of storage and caching by using a relatively large drive.

Which NAS do you recommend for complete noobs who just want to backup and synchronize data from their desktop pc and Android phone? Want it to be simple like drop box.

Thks

Ryzen R1600 , Why would they use this Chip ?

Chip came out in Feb 2020, I can't find Price for Ryzen R1600 , If someone can find the Chip Price I am sure it would be cheap by now.
Please Post the Price,

I bought a 1522+ Installed 10Gb Network card , I like the box doing Backups no Plex so Graphics not hurting me , HyperBackup across VPN to another Synology Box
30+ Workstations Bare Metal , 40 Mailbox Backups, What helped I bought 2x 2TB NVME Gen 3 Crucial drive, in a Read Write Configuration. Number of Files is 15 Million + takes a awhile to count these files. I have it hooked up to Netgear 10,5,2.5.1 Switch. Server has 10GBNics Workstation 2.5Gbe Standard with Workstations now. Even Lowest Intel Nucs have 2.5GB Network cards.

Even with this I don' use 4GB Max Ram on This Box Comes with 8GB ECC Ram. Why use faster Chip , I just see Synology trying to save $$ on Hardware. Can this box Max out
Hard drives not sure. When I backup my VMware Server for Incremental takes about 2.5 mins.

People cry about this not being fast enough . I am happy with the 1522+ , I looks like you could have 2x 10GbE if Synology wants to.

Is Qnap ahead in some ways yes they are in the Hardware side , Before Synology I used Qnap Worried about Security on Qnap.

Ryzen R1600 Last Time Buy 2029 from AMD So this chips will be around for sometime in the future for Synology. I would say at least another 3 years , then 3 years later maybe for the low end Synology boxes that will come in the future .

Comments Welcome

Specs Below
Ryzen Embedded R1600 is a mobile processor with 2 Cores, launched in February 2020. Embedded R1600 on a 14 nm production process TDP of 25 W , SoC Features
Ethernet: 2x 10GbE
USB: 2x USB 2.0, 4x USB 3.1 Gen2
SATA: 2x SATA3
Ethernet 2x 10GbE
PCIe® Lanes 8L Gen3
TDP 12--25W

Is that a D-Link 6-Port 10GB & 2.5GB Unmanaged Gaming Switch in the background? did you guys do a video on it? would love one if you didn't

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Would love a DS0+ 2 NVMEs!

Looking forward to being able to use Samsung 990 Pro Gen 4 SSD's in my Synology web server!
Just wish I could get a decent CPU in an affordable system to handle the web hosting I do with mine... Thanks for the great videos...

Need for DS918+

Hope they do implement this for my old DS918+. If not might upgrade to a new 8 bay 2023 model. Thanks for the video mate.

Great job covering some of the possible Synology created pitfalls. Anyway, this gives some (a little) purchase to Syno's push for 10GbE over 2.5GbE in its offerings (I still think they should have had 2.5GbE for consumer models).

It seems that users of Synology NAS devices have also finally had their time 😀 I've been using M.2 NVMe modules on QNAP NASes in RAID as very fast data volumes moreover for VM (+ GPU) for many years now, and as I watch, I'm glad I switched to QNAP. Still waiting a few years for Synology to introduce something is quite a hassle 🙄

from a tech standpoint there is no reason not to enable pci-e gen 2 bays for storage.
pci-e gen 2 offers 2gb bandwith, (net a bit less of course) but that is still 10 times faster than sequential read/write of hdds.
nvme-disks may offer a bit higher sequential read and write in theory but for one you cannot utilize that speed even with a 10gbit connection and even if you could, you will tax the ryzen r1600 quite a bit with a maxed out pci-e gen3 raid setup. the chip is much more capable than the celerons before when it comes to io, but it still is only 2core/4threads at fairly moderate clock speeds.

in practice there is very little advantage for this kind of hardware between pci-e gen 2 and gen 3. what we really want are the iops and those are not hindered by pci-e gen2.

load times will be greatly improved and with this announcement a tiny windows vm that does not require a lot of compute but profits of fast disk access becomes a real possibility combined with the up to 32gigs of ram. imagine a small business that runs e.g. the accounting database for shared access on a 923+ (i'd have loved to have seen the 4core 8 thread amd chip for that very reason, it would have made this from a good into a great soho setup).

Really exciting! Great video, as always! I think with PCIe gen 5 becoming mainstream (4GBps per lane!) it would be cool to see what that would mean for all-NVME NAS builds. Even a relatively modest 16 PCIe5 lane slot could theoretically support 16 drives at "ok" speed or 8 drives at excellent speed, and that's not even counting M.2 slots built into the board!

Another strange decision from Synology. This will annoy far more than it impresses because those that want this but need more drive slots will be left out and those who have recently bought other high end systems will be screwed over.

Personally, I’m ripe to upgrade my 5 year old NAS, but I’m waiting for a truly modernized NAS product. By this I mean, a NAS chassis not built to accommodate 3.5”drives at all. I want a new NAS that only uses smaller, next gen devices such as NVMe SSDs, the benefits being a much smaller box, and correspondingly lower power use, noise, and heat.

However, NAS makers seem to move pretty slow. It could be awhile.

Hopefully it does come to my 1520+ but if not oh well, its been such a rock solid NAS and does everything I need and I still have no plans to replace it.

Now lets hope for a 8 bay rackstation with a few nvme slots and 10gbe > Rs1223+

Having created another storage pool on NVME through SSH on a DS1019+ in the last 3 days (51 hours uptime) it provides a massive boost to Docker and VM's even on PCIE 2.0. I look forward to it being native in DSM 7.2 even if it is not directly supported on my model.

this is great news. what about DS-1621+ and 1821+ PCIe slot NVME option ?

The way they've ignored what other NAS makers were doing with NVMe is yet another example of Synology embracing technology to the point where it makes little sense. It may be that they're noticing a downturn in sales that forces them to act.
That they still use ESATA for external storage connections, won't provide 2.5GbE as a standard LAN port and insist on Synology branded upgrades (when they don't make drives, NVMe or RAM) makes me wonder if its domination of the NAS market is destined to end abruptly.
That they might not support older NVMe capable machines with the storage upgrade smacks of a company that is overconfident in its ability to dictate to the customers what the future will be.

Not being able to use SSDs for Storage Pool is one of the 2 reasons I'm avoiding Synology (the other being the HDD compatibility story). It's nice to see they're (seemingly) fixing this.

Shame it cant go in my 920+.