So You Want To Play A Kineticist - Pathfinder: WotR

I did forget to mention that energy blasts are affected by spell resistance as well. People will also point out that you can make a full attack with kinetic blade even if you're not a kinetic knight to which my response is that in order for that to be effective you'd have to have a heavy investment into feats to make it work at which point you should have just gone kinetic knight rather than make a half and half build thats average at two things at best.

Blood Kineticist does not turn your abilities red, so it's basically unplayable

hey, quick question, if gather power cannot lower a blast past zero, why do things like extended range lower to zero?

After watching this guide, i think i get the gist of it but i guess i'll just have to play it myself to fully understand what's going on.

I think I may need to watch this video 2 or 3 times

Wouldn't this be a good fit for Swarm? Since a kineticist specifically wants ranged party built around it, and most Mythic paths dont have anything to offer, why not just make swarm clones of yourself and give people hell?

I never got Burn to work in these games.

Would you recommend a kineticist build for an unfair playthrough?

Is Kineticist just the Pathfinder version of D&D's Warlock? From hearing about this, it sounds just like a Warlock just without the Patron.

I wonder if it's worth going overwhelming soul to be charisma based and getting two levels as Paladin, meaning your charisma modifier will get added as a bonus to all your saving throws, seems massive, especially late in the game when you will have stupid level of charisma

What are you using for character creation/management? Looks great .

Man I really wish you would have shown how the elemental overflow size bonus works, because I don't know if it's bugged on my current Elemental Engine guy, but I'm level 9 and even at max burn I cannot find anywhere where I can toggle to increase my dex. I've looked in abilities and items bars (I see you have the spell bar, which is the one that allows you to select spells, but I don't have that bar, it's only on my spell casters like Ember). I really wish I could get that sweet extra dex bonus.

While I'm interested in this character my knowledge of D & D is limited and I was introduced to the genre by my dearly departed brother through Masters of Orion, Imperialism and Divinity Original Sin and the mechanics and character knowledge are beyond me. But thanks for trying I'm missing so much information about D & D I need to learn about it first I think or just go with a fighter as a have chosen because it's far more simple.

It's a real shame they made zippy magic not work with kinetic blasts, the Devs are so annoying. Wish there was a mod to fix this.

Since the dark elementalist is evil locked, and the azata's core alignment is CG, what's your recommendation mythic path on that front?

I picked this as my first character in kingmaker and it was killer. Haven't tried it in wrath tho

Hey this is very late, but I'd like to ask for clarification on a few points: What feats and mythic abilities that affect spells work on Kinetic Blast? Someone in the comments mentioned that Zippy Magic does, which surprises me because it specifically calls out spells and not spell-like abilities.

Worth noting that kinetic knight with a melee attack can attack of opportunity enemies tripped/knocked prone. With feats that increase the number of these opportunity attacks, there can be some really devastating synergy

My biggest issue with energy blasts is that the targets spell resistance becomes a factor. Unfortunately, in this game, most of the enemies you fight have high levels of spell resistance which must be overcome before your energy blast even has a chance to hit.

Damn this class looks fun. I’m already 8 hours in. Will I have an opportunity to respec a character into this class from scratch or will I have to start again if I wanted to play this class?

so i tried the class, and my MC is currently lvl 6 elemental engine and has 6 points of burn. according to elemental overflow i should be able to chose two physical stats that gain a +2 size bonus on them. where is the interface element to chose them? i dont see it among the ability tab on top of my hotbar or anywhere else.

calling the class a glass cannon because of a little bit of permanent damage due to burn, like 7 hp later on when your health pool is what? around 100 and upwards? seems a bit silly :D its more because they dont get a lot of HP per level in the first place.

but the video was very helpful. i just assumed all their blasts were touch attacks in return for only being able to cast once per round usually.

Love your vids, it's also nice that you made Kineticist HOWTO, because a lot of people somehow doesn't understand this class and therefore it gets an opinion of being complicated, when it's one of the easier ones, without much dependency on dips, items, and other sources. There's one thing I don't agree with - Kinetic Blade is actually a great thing for a normal non-knight Kineticist if you spec for it a little, you just bump your AC to be a bit more survivable, and then you can go with Trickster + flame blade + ascendant element + crit feats to attack few times per round (normal full round attack) for lots of elemental d6 + some sneak d6 + as a Trickster your every K.Blade attack can crit on 14-20 for x3, AND you target Touch AC, and sure, you can do that as a K-Knight too and a bit earlier/cheaper, but then you'd lose access to other important infusions, such as AoEs, so it's usually better to go for a classic Kineticist if someone wants to go melee, and it's very fun too, it gets crazy OP fast, and you feel that steep power curve at every lvl. I really recommend at least trying something like fire/earth/blue flame melee Trickster Kineticist, with maybe 1 lvl dip into Thug for that special intimidation ability that goes great with Kineticist's fire bonus feats, it's a real powerhouse.

psa: zippy magic no longer works apparently for kineticists

Huh... Owlcat added their own 3rd party archetypes? Elemental Engine seems OP, especially for a video game, where you merely have to deal with stupid AI, which is easily manageable to avoid getting glass cannons hit instead of a GM which may give some actual intelligence to your opponents and have enemies decide to attack the glowing noisy weak-looking magic person shooting crazy energy blasts.

I am playing Kingmaker with a Kinetic Knight and love it, but I see the limitations, especially wish you could get the feat that allows opportunity attacks, even so been trying to pick between Kinetic Engine or Alchemist for my Azata character in wotr.

Does cleaving shot work with kinetic blasts?

thanks a bunch, while i played kingmaker, i avoided this class because it seemed very confusing.

Zippy magic on Kineticist is so powerful. It allows your Blasts to target two creatures with one attack. Can't recommend it enough.

Does ring of pyromania work with fire type blasts?

Knowledge like the sea, dude.

Kinetic knight has insane mid and late game abilites such as throwing your elemental weapon like a boomerang around you to make a free cleave attack that carries your infusions with it. Which is INSANE but noone talks about it... There are a few other things offensive and defensive but I just gave you the most attention grabbing one here so add it to your next guide maybe ? Cheers

i just wish there was an acid energy blast so i could play a chemo-kinetic (control over chemical substances)

Really great guide, thanks!

bruh, kineticists were always something I wanted to do but were so intimidated by their complexity. This helps me so much! Thank you! I'm ready to give it a shot on my next playthrough!

Awesome Breakdown. Made a blood kin and had issue with burn. Until i found i should not give a kin a melee weapon.

From my experience, psychokineticist beats everything. The tankiest damage-dealer in the whole game, and one out of 3 most reliable against those AC 99+ guys. I am being serious. If you want to kill someone like Melazmera, Playful Darkness and so on, you need to attack AC against TOUCH-attacks. That leaves us with Mystic trickster, Magus, or Kineticist. They can kill them in two rounds.

The difference between ordinary Kineticist and Psychokineticist is that he can do all that kinetic stuff, but also be a tank.
1. You have high WIS, and only 1 lvl monk-tradicionalist turns you into a tank. Tankiest in the whole party, actually, when you get water element and it's shield. No heavy armor class can get so much AC, even with the shield.
2. If you go FIRE+WATER-WATER+FIRE, you get composite Energy( that is important) blast. Blue fire is the only combined energy blast in the game. Others are composite physical+energy, so you lose part of damage potential when casting Wall, for example.

3. Fire kineticist can SCARE as a free action, when it kills someone. And you get highest persuasion checks if you use origin that uses WIS instead of CHA for persuasion.

Most of the game you just run around and slash everybody with the fire blade (Energy charge, ignores armour, make sure to get 2 feats Spell penetrate+epic spell penetration). 3-4 attacks per round can give more damage than one maximised ranged attack. Use combination (Blue Fire Wall+Steam Cloud) when you can't just right-click.

I don't....why am I here?

I played a Kineticist in Kingmaker and absolutely steam-rolled (LOL See what I did there) through the game. Seriously OP.

So, wouldn't you want to go Legend mythic path as Kinetics/ dodge monk? Monk first to survive then just blow everything up the rest of game, solo?

bah humbug. I was busy researching a kinetic knight build so i could imbue a kinetic sword with sword of heaven and head cannon it as lariel's sword. plus a kinetic knight dealing holy damage would have just been awesome.

One cool point i ddin't hear is that the Wall infusion doesn't actually roll for an attack when things touch it. They just take damage on contact, so things with absurd AC you can actually just cast walls on the target over and over and never miss even through invis/concealment (hello playfull darkness). A well placed wall before you pull a room can just murder everything as they run at you. For style points you can push things back with blade barrier or knockback infusion to hit them a second time after they pass through it as well.

Kineticists are just such an amazing class with some absurd utility and damage.

Just finished my first playthrough, an Aeon Kineticist on core and I gotta say it's the most OP ranged dps class I've ever played in an RPG. Cloud-infused Thunderstorm blast did between 200-400 damage per turn regardless of saves.

Hello, could you please tell me where do you got the horse and the tiger companions, Thanks.!

Demon get you shit load of cmd related shit so it super charges kineticist, best match.
And lich's leach blade also supercharge your kineticist blade.

I was looking for a right class for quite a few days now, i watched the video and im starting as a Kinetic Knight. Does it matter what element i choose at the character creation, and what is best for Kinetic Knight subclass? Thank you for the guide!

I really like the concept of Kinetic Knight but all I here is bad things about it which is a major bummer.

I'm playing Elemental Engine and have noticed a lot of resists on my elemental blasts. Should I take spell pen feats? Do they even work on Kinetic Blasts?

What's up with your Nenio?

This was extremely informative and helpful for me, someone new to Pathfinder in general, trying to figure out what sort of Kineticist build to make. This game honestly does a horrifyingly bad job of explaining the details of how things work to the player, so guides like this are very very appreciated