War Thunder: Russian Bias Finale

I feel like there is a lot of discrepancies between my ussr experience and what you said. A lot of the better players, HE the roofs, shoot the roof to kill in one shot. The breach doesn't shoot if its yellowish. Driver port either one shots or criples you to death cuz its right under the breach and can spall to both turret crew. Fuel tanks explode (and after this major update even more) and kill everyone.
Also those damage zones should be bigger. The driver hatch stretches out on the entire horizontal line, the entire roof can be penetrated and if shot in the middle will kill both crew members (but there is a difference between 72 and 80 on that), for some reason shooting the breach of the russian tanks is a very strong thing cuz i've seen literal spall go through the breach (idk if its intended but it just lets spall go through).
I feel like you shouldve touched on the chinese as well since they are the same design.
Overall i can agree with the armor plates part. Something like the Comet 1 has no effective armor but because of all the rounded edges + sharp edges and weird shapes of armor it can tank flat shots, and stuff like the french tanks that have a lot of plates placed horizontally that gives them prolly 10k mm of armor and doesn't let shots go through.
But i can't take seriously anyone who says "killing/disabling russian tanks is hard". I've had genuine fear when spall liners came. Russia gets one of the worst apfsds at top tier, combine that with enourmous empty space on a leo2a6 + spall liner. Result: Imposible to disable tank from the side in a way it wouldn't shoot back. You shoot center, no spall. You shoot gunner, commander takes controll. You shoot commander, gunner shoots back. You shoot breach.... well you can't pen the turret from the side either.
Meanwhile (my experience both from receiveing and dealing end) you shoot at russian tank be like: Shoot lower, either insta kill (fuel tanks, ammo, crew), or mega cripple. Shoot driver port, either insta kill (crew, ammo AND fuel tanks cuz the engine fuel tanks can explode lmao) or cripple (breach, ring, engine and now autoloader). Shoot breach, either insta kill (crew) or cripple (breach). Shoot roof, either kill (crew) or cripple (breach).
I have had times where i took shots and didn't expect to live but i did but it wasn't something consistent to make me say 'russian bias'. But there is also so many things that they could do with ussr that would make you say 'russian bias' and they haven't done any of what im thinking, eg: Thermals on a lot of fighters, Proxy fuse shells on all top tier mbts + bmp3, TOR-m1(?? XD), R73 on mig23, Mig21 the latest upgrade kit, Khinzal turret ifv at top tier with atgms. And tbh ussr gets cucked on a lot of vehicles, mainly by the chinese. T34-85 but with a 12mm at the same br. T54 but with laser range finder. Object 120 but free in the TT. TorM1 and others but ig thats a gaijin issue cuz they like to do that.



Also please don't use win rate stats. Gaijin DOES NOT put that out publicly. And if you want to argue that that one site is actually right, that site told me my most used tank is T34-85.... 3 years into the game. My most used tank is BVM and B3 on second. And it is mathematically imposible to have a single nation have a win rate over 85% when that nation goes against itself.

Yeah 100% agree with russian tanks being far more gorgiving to play, gicing them plenty bunch more time to shoot you anywhere and 1 shot you or crippel you so you can fight back. This cuz of their tiny tiny and few weakspots. Same with their brick of a at plane and ka zombie copter.

The Su-25s damage model was definitely ridiculous on release, but nowadays, I haven’t had too much issue with them. From my experience they only periodically remain airworthy after getting hit by a stinger. Often times they slowly and inevitably fly towards the ground after being hit.

The Su-25 being more resistant than the A-10 makes sense since the important components are actually armored, unlike the A-10 where the pilot is only protected. Still, the wings on the Su-25 still might be too resistant, as they frequently take damage despite not having any armor.


The problem with Russian top tier tanks for me isn’t that the weak spots are smaller but that they can be inconsistent. I chalk this up to the amount of crap that is strapped on top of it by design, and how with volumetric and combined thickness plus angles can make shots ineffective. As for breach shots on Russian tanks not killing any crew, from my anecdotal experience facing them I didn’t find this to be the case, often times I was able to knock out a crew member from a breach shot provided I am not firing a weak shell like M774, M833, or DM23 120mm.

As for the disparity between the Su-25SM3 and NATO CAS at range, in practice it isn’t much of a problem, since currently the entire airspace is restricted by AMRAAMs. From my experience on the F-16C I found the weapons to be more than good enough to fight Pantsirs, since you can chuck Mavericks in “Point” mode well outside of the Pantsir’s range, and their missiles aren’t a threat until you are about 14km from them, since they can be easily outmaneuvered at range. If they show brain activity and intercept them, they won’t intercept the GBU-24 since for some reason guided bombs can’t be intercepted with missiles, only guns.

My biggest gripe with T-34s has been the fuel tanks on the left and right that can absorb fuel tanks, and as with every other tank in game, the frustration that comes with tracks sometimes completely preventing penetration. I’ve only really had issues with the low tier T-34s, the higher battlerating ones like the T-34-85 are much easier to deal with, since the guns you can use against them are better while it’s armor profile is worse.

Overall I wouldn’t say there is Russian Bias, it’s just that here in the west people only like to point out and issues that could cause Russian vehicles to be potentially stronger. A good example is top tier air rb, currently, it is dominated by AMRAAMs and the amount players that are being vocal about it being unfair, is much lower compared to the R-27ER. I would argue that the AMRAAM being much stronger than every other missile is more impactful than when the R-27ER was because reliable multipathing existed, nullifying the missile entirely.

Love how there are still people in the comments who are in denial because they just love russia so much.

Can you do a video on the AH-1Z

I think that WT was a much more balanced and more fun game prior to volumetric

Sweden goes BONK agains T-80 and others

Tf you mean russian tanks are at an artificially low br the t 34 has shitty firepower penwise but good armor (panzer 4 f2 which is also at 3.3 same as t 34 1940 can pen the upper front plate with relative ease at medium distances (<1km)it's 140 mm of pen)
But the Germans get panthers which have great fire power and very good armor (tho ppl say it's slow (not really) and the only downside is the slow turret traverse which is only a problem at very close range)

This is the most compelling example of russian bias, russian MBTs are bullshit

The issue of russian bias was definitively decided when they added the ka50 ...

While all of these issues are valid, I have had my issues once I actually started playing Russian tanks fighting NATO ones. One thing I noticed very quickly after making it to top tier is that Abrams and Leopard ammo blast doors are extremely inconsistent when it comes to killing it.

I have had rounds go through the rear of the bustle, hit the ammo and kill the loader, but it wouldn't ammo rack the tank. This happened about as often as a T-80 eating my round through the carousel. Another inconsistency I noticed fighting for the other side is that despite the fact I would sometimes put a sabot round into the right side of an Abrams turret ring. (Something I personally have told someone would be an easy kill.) and it would either not spall at all, only turn the breech yellow, or would injure everyone in the turret but not actually kill anyone.

It used to be more common but still does once in a blue moon is the Leopard 2's external fuel tanks stopping everything from sabot to heat even from dead side on shots.

What I am getting at is that, despite all of these being valid problems with one of the nation's tanks being modeled, I think the issue is a lot deeper than a simple "X nation is busted" "No you fucking moron, clearly Y nation is busted" and is more or less that the game at top tier, either due to incompetency, lack of reliable information or rushed development times, Gaijin struggles to model any part of any vehicle. (Balancing is a whole different department as Gaijin simply uses a completely different method than the rest of the community)

All of this is not real evidence. I am currently working on gathering data to statistically examine the existence of the Russian bias.

i remember bouncing 8 times on a t34 57 with my panther

Subbed. Using Lav AA at the moment because of lack of adats yet but, su25 eats the missiles all day, a lot of the time I'm hitting it 3 times in a row, head on once and twice as he flies away, doing almost nothing. Going forward, ka50 eats everything and you will not get a target using the ballistic computer until around 2.3 km if you're lucky, ir will not lock either until he's already a** f***ing you while rushing spawn 30 seconds into the game. Ka52 almost the same story except hes got the ircm wouldn't you know he's out of range of all your capabilities. Now I suppose the argument could be made that I'm using a 10.0 at 11.0+ but Jesus man I'm having a hard time believing that the adats will give me that much of an edge honestly

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I play russia so that i dont have to fight them, at least most of the time

dude just tested the german DM53 fired from 2A7v, it almost one-shot killed the BVM anywere on the lower front plate, becasue its liturally bouncing of the side amor interally in to the autoloader... thats just not justefied to call the lower front plate an "bad weakspot" its a kill anywhere and im saying that as someone who has played against the t-80 a lot

Russian bias: no veicule in the US,CHINA,ITALY,FRANCE and sweden got those new modules.
Truly a russian bias moment

1. I've played with and against russian 4.0 tanks and they are NOT hard to kill. Aiming to the side of the turret guarantees a kill almost every time if your round has at least 80mm of pen which most tanks do. The KV1 you will have to have a higher amount of pen for as it is a heavy tank, and thew spots where you can pen has to be almost flat to pen it consistently. what is the point of a heavy tank if it can be defeated by any round?

2. The T34 is not modeled well, and just because it hasn't been fixed yet does not mean Russian bias. For the past few years Gaijin has been more focused on top tier tanks/jets. Its round at best is on par with other guns. Its best shell is a composite rigid shell with poor spall, and its APHE shell only pens about 80mm of armor. The American and German counterparts at the same BR can pen way past that.

3. IS3/IS4 was made to be heavily angled, obviously its hard to pen from the front? Play around the fact that the gun has below average pen and reload speed and that the tank has poor maneuverability and its not a hard kill.

4. The Su25 is durable yes, but saying the A10 isn't is wild. The A10 has better CAS abilities, better maneuverability, better air to air loadout, and only slightly worse speed. The Su25 has lots of self sealing fuel tanks which absorb a lot of shrapnel that comes into the plane. Combined with the fact that the chaparral has little explosive mass, and that guy shooting at you missed almost completely to the left, no wonder you are still flying.

5. Russian tanks were getting absolutely SLAPPED a few years ago, which is why for a certain period for one reason or another, Russian and Chinese tanks were made to spall less to help with low win rates, and only ended when people noticed and the T80 BVM was added. To one shot the T80, Shoot the lower plate on the left or right side to guarantee hitting ammo. shoot the turret ring or next to the breach to guarantee killing the gunner/loader or at least the breach and autoloader. and for you saying the T80 is small/lower to the ground, that is what they were designed for, to be a lower profile tank. No wonder they are small.

6. China also uses an autoloader, go talk about them? the fact that just because its Russian means its Russian bias even though other nations have the same problem is nuts. While this may not be your intention, leaving it outside the video is a problem. A argument without counters points is not an argument. As well, the autoloader is a new mechanic, it will take time for it to be fixed like other mechanics. Again, not bringing up the fact that other top tier wheeled vehicles are hard to kill is a problem. They have a large amount of open space and little to spall off of. Saying that this is intentional defeats the point of Russian vehicles not spalling well.

7. Saying "I've had rounds that should do more" is bullshit. I've shot many NATO tanks that should have penned/did more damage, but didn't. Using the "In my experience" card isn't an actual argument. If that is so, When I play top tier Germany I literally have zero issue killing Russian tanks.

8. Just because Gaijin has not done something yet, doesn't mean they won't. They should have never added the KH38 or pantsir, instead adding different missiles or the TORM2. As well, everything besides the KH38 missile is terrible on the SU25. Bad air to air, bad CAS outside of the KH38, poor flight performance, high br. If you go behind a wall or small hill, it loses lock and boom the missile explodes. Especially with the new buff to mavericks, they are way more lethal.

9. What is the benefit to Gaijin for making the Russian tech tree better than others? national pride? War thunder is Gaijin's cash cow and anything to hurt their profits they seriously avoid. Their headquarters isn't even in Russia, and pretty much all of their workers aren't Russian. Do you think the CEO tells everyone to make Russian tanks better because its his home country and he feels like its his duty? If Gaijin was an American company is it then magically American Bias? technically since Gaijin is in Germany its German bias.

10. Why don't you also look at the weak points of the Russian tree? Lack of movement, bad depression, Average guns/shells, Poor CAS at lower BRs, bad Tank destroyers and no light vehicles at lower BR's.

I'll always hate Gaijin, they nerfed to the ground the Otomatic but the 2s38 got no nerfs, has a lower BR and can do even better?????

favorable rounding is also known as bias. bias doesnt mean they are creating russian vehicles with the intention of making them overpowered, it means when a new russian vehicle sends up being overpowered they are more likely to ignore it than when a nato vehicle ends up being overpowered. to be fair to the developers though, they are a russian company located in russia. sure they have PR teams in other major nations, but the people creating the game are in russia and presumably most of them only speak russian and probably pay a lot more attention to russian social media e.g. the russian players who complain about vehicles being too strong/weak. just like most americans main america, most russians probably main russia and thus they see a lot more complaints about nato tanks being too strong and russian vehicles being too weak.

honestly i tried this game i got to 3.0 then stopped playing not my cup of tea grinding stuff and it feels like you need to pay money to progress in the game which is not something i like

This video is hot garbage
There is no problem with the carousel spalling it does shrapnel properly if what you said were true you would have a significantly better k/d in your russian tanks wouldnt you yet your stats show that they're just as bad as your NATO tanks there is no bias you're just bad at the game not surprising considering you dont even have your controls mapped properly and have all guns set to RT and no way to switch ammo lmao

>HE to the gunners sight doesnt knock out russian tanks as easily as NATO.
its almost like russian tanks typically have more armoured roofs with ERA while NATO also has worse HE i dont even know why you made this claim its stupid

>toptier tanks are easy to use.
If that were true US winrates would be drastically higher yet they arent if you dont know how to play your vehicle. You're going to lose to the guy that does its literally that simple.

>muh su-25SM3
Is this still really the great filter to show how dumb people are the SM3 is a good CAS but its still objectively inferior to the F-16C and all the other 6x mav slingers

Easy, the memoryholed one. Russian rockets can shoot down sams but, nato rockets are put at the exact cutoff to not do that. Doesnt matter as much since the missile changes but was absolute bs when it was added.

I love how you can tell exactly who is who just by a few words in their comments.

There are 3 main groups in this fight.

1: people tired of the odd inconsistencies that seem to mainly aid Russia and harm other countries and see it as mostly a rounding bias towards Russia.

2: people who are convinced gaijin is doing everything on purpose and will deliberately make nato equipment worse to make Russia look better.

3: tankies that cannot stand that Russia may not be the greatest in everything.

People need to realize that bias I an illusion made up by the player base, in the west, people think Russian bias exist, while in Russia, players think gaijin are NATO propagandists, I could make up a whole argument for bias in any other nation,

France getting the best F-16s better than the US, whilst having the best ARH missile on the mirage 2000,

Sweden having a 11.7 lineup full of spall liners, Germany having underteired heavy tanks,

And for the topic of ARB, the meta is in the complete opposite direction of russia, at top teir russian planes are usually inferior to their counterparts, with their only major advantage being ordanace capacity

I think the german ww2 heavy tanks are significantly under-ranked having larger guns and thicker armor while retaining simular speeds to american shermans of the same rank

Great video and sub!

Top tier NATO is like playing CS:GO but you can only cause damge with headshots while soviet vehicles cause normal damage

the problem with "flying tanks" is that sure you can fly it home but once you land it its scrap metal.
Whenever an A10 got hit by anything in irak and the pilot made it back alive the airplane was so damaged that it wasnt worth to repair it.

also yes there isnt any aircraft that can realisticly survive a close encounter with a telephone pole sized missile.
Aim9s maybe sometimes (chaparel usses aim9s) but anything bigger than that generaly not.

Russian carousels beeing somewhat imune to spalling does make sense to a degree, they do have protective panels around them to help against spalling irl (this is not modeled in the game tho)
the bigger issue i see is that there is a massive lack in damage to ammunition, the infamouse, hit a charge, it turns red or black but doesnt detonate.

for their amo calculations, this is a real thing, they use the same formula as the "longrod calculator". problem with this is that gaijin likes to input wrong data (density, velocity and dimensions of a projectile) and it cant give accurate data on segmented shells such as Anti ERA Darts (DM53/63, M829A2/3/4) and any Soveiet and Russian munition as these are segmented to increase effectiveness against Composite arrays.
For soviet munitions there is a chart on the internet that estimates projectile performance (afaik this chart is at least considered as a lot of soviet darts in game get close or even match the chart 1 to 1).
however this is vs RHA, against Composite arrays it would be expected to be more effective, to my knowledge this fact goes ignored by gaijin aswell tho.

NERA isn't modelled, gunner can load and aim cannon at the same time, but russian tanks are OP because they don't explode when looked at.

in my opinion the welded shermans in my experience seems to be a lot harder to pen as i have played the t34 and shermans the shermans seem to be harder to pen for most players as the early turret t34 76 turret is 45mm thick

I played for a while before i abandoned this dog water game. Besides the ka50 spam being thing that killed my liking for the game was my shots going straight through the propellant in the autoloader and it not blowing up. Looking at that shot go through on the ammo on shot cam was such bs. And i only hate the game more as their dogshit tanks get their turrets tossed in ukraine at the smallest drone warheads. Its clear they take the specs from these tanks straight from the Russian government. the world knows how truthful the russian government is.

Wasnt spall liner (or what ever its name is) added because they were adding a russian tank with it, and then they added to most of the western nations older vehicles that were already added?

there is no russian bias, its just all american players coping

Bro has a ukraine flag on his tank, no wonder he is crying about "russian bias"

Schroedinger's gunner and commander lmfao

Whole russia existense - cope with reality. Every russian game has this shit. Russian tech would be unplaybale if they make it reality accurate. Long standing desire to propaganda and cope with reality etched in russian mind.
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i played 6 different nations in war thunder.. Japan, US, germany, israel, brittish, Russia.. Just to prove that there is no bias.. And what did i get? More evidence that there literally is russian bias in the game.. out of the 6 nations i play, both air and ground top tier, It's always the russian vehicles where i play the easiest while getting the most kills and surviving most clashes where I would have definitely died if I were in a different nation vehicle.

As you kinda said in video ther is no definite russian bias that completly destroys the game. There are just few slightly fauvorable things like battle rating, modeling etc that make russian tanks slightly better than they would perform in real life, but as i said it does not destroys the game, it just makes it more enjoyable to average wt consumer to play as legendary t-34 and not being sniped by panther from 2 kms as it normaly happened in real life(i do not mean the abomimations of a crewman of panther d that charged straight forward to soviet lines in kursk, but rather later use of panthers as just great tanks to kill soviet t 34 in great distances(it also should be noted that soviets had much more tanks than their opponents in general si it makes sense that their mass produced good weapons are statisticly worse than few perfect weapons their counterparts have))saying that i believe that few not all rusian tanks perform better than they should and i understand that its frustrating for other nations that have to deal with them. What are your opinions share them so i could see your point of view.

Anyone who says the bias doesn't exist doesn't know russian fasist mentality at all. Shut up.

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I think you should do another episode of this series. Because there are couple things no one talks about.
1: How USA breaches miss fire consistently when turned yellow. But Russian breaches can fire fine when red. Note most other nations can do this as well. Just not US
2: How the repair time just seems longer on USA tanks compared to Russian even though you have an extra crew and Russian tanks have way more components
3: How Russian vehicles are always so multi purpose compared to USA. You have all these IFVs that act as really good front tank killers and plane killers. Just one of these is enough to keep the skies relatively clear.
2s38 round is basically on par with Hstvl with better rate of fire, more rounds, better thermals, and etc, at a lower BR.
4. Why whenever there is anything good in USA there is always an effective counter to it for Russia. Every top teir USA vehicle has a consistent counter by Russia.
5. It also appears they give unfavorable match making to USA. The Leporad PsO an 7, Strv B, all affected the Russian win rates. So soon after they started getting matched together more often. When those three were together is was basically a guaranteed loss. But the big thing is whenever Russia is with USA, it internally gives you the worse players who are running a couple premiums who leave after a single death. Something I have noticed a lot whenever Russia is on USA side.
There is a lot more but these are some more glaring issues.

Other nations it took me a few months to get through just because I'd get dunked on, but when I finally went through the ussr I was in and out in like 2 months flat like it just breezed by

Why is their no videos about Russian bias in Air RB?