The Warlock exotic buffs were not as exciting as I was hoping.

Lots of people in the comments already pointing out how good Karnstein's are now, but to put some math to it the gloves previously gave 50HP instantly on a melee kill and 30hp/second. Now you get 180HP instantly and 35HP/second. Get a finisher and that increases to 50HP/second. It's actually a pretty sizable buff to the exotic.

karnstiens got the most insane nerf for no reason. The old vampires caress was massive healing over time compared to restoration. Really sad to see it get destroyed so hard just because they need exotics to tie into key words.

"Its very safe, you don't put yourself in danger" people are playing this safely? lol

Glaive void build with felwinters is honestly one of my favorite builds and has been for a while in master content. Felwinters buff is great for me.

Try balidorse with Verglas curve its pretty good

From the perspective of a returning D1 player, I must say some of the “issues” pointed out by the community seem so bizarre when I can enter a room with 100 red bars and prock enough grenades to turn the whole room to ash by chaining a few melees in the air with Sunbracers. That thing is op as fuck.

I’m a huge stasis fan, wrathweavers is my new favorite, only if getting the OS didn’t prevent healing from your rift, it’s a huge bug, but I like the exotic more then exclusively cold snap

T_T I hate that so much of these exotics have so many finishes required activations.We're not even invincible during finishers, and it's really not as fun as any other combat thing we can do in the game. Like, to me at least it's slightly more engaging than jumping, and not quite as fun as Icarus dashing. It would just be nice if the Warlock exotics were FUN to use instead of just "situationally useful" It's a game. Fun should be the entire goal.

No. armlets are now a God tier exotic with glaives and is available on every subclass. The healing is quite literally twice as strong as banner of war healing but only lasts about a third of the time and refreshes on every kill. Please try out.

I wonder how apotheosis would be on atheon. That extra ability Regen may run into lockouts though. It sounds like it could be a decent support option though, especially if you have allies with something like touch of flame Starfire or maybe a melee setup.

i feel as though they're absolutely going to nerf sunbracers at some point

Apotheosis seemed neat with dragons breath to help refund the ammo. And kinda revives the starfire setup where you can spam abilities and dps with weapons. It's possible for new tech to be found with the reworks but overall apoth and ballidorse were the only good ones.

Combining Karnsteins with a glaive definitely feels better now. The heals are pretty strong, it's like an uber-Devour but you have to get up in their grill to earn it. I've been comboing with the Judgment of Kelgorath with Close to Melee, and it's a lot of fun. With a Solar Warlock you can also put on fragments that add up to every melee mass kill essentially refunds your snap melee, but that will not be as strong in higher end content where red bars soak up more damage. But for survivability Karnsteins + glaive is pretty fun.

Other Warlock exotic that now need a look up/rework:
Skull of dire Ahamkara
Winter's Guile
Secant filaments

One important thing about the change to karnstein armlets... you get restoration x2 for 8 seconds on finishers. X1 for melee and glaive melees, buuuuut... glaive and charged melee kills extend the x2 restoration timer. Just get one glaive melee kill every 8 seconds and you never run out of restoration x2

Everyone is sleeping on ballidorse wrathweavers. They’re really good now. Frostpulse with iceflare bolts is great. You freeze everything instantly, shatter one enemy and everything dies. You get massive amounts of orbs, and class ability energy etc.

Buffing everyone and running this with a stasis fireteam is op. 2 osmiomancy users with someone using this constantly buffing everyone is great. It also makes the super not ass. The super does great damage with this exotic.

my warlock vibe is not good atm. been having more fun on hunter.

I am that person running the invis finisher build with Felwinter's helm (been running it since season of the deep), I also run it with ruinous effigy for some extra spice and crowd control, the change is nice, not very noticeable for my gamestyle but nice. KARNSTEIN ARMLETS THOUGH, let me tell you, I made a build using Tommy's Matchbook and ohohoho having permanent restoration and radiant with ember of empyrean is just what that gun needed. I'm just spraying that thing and shredding everything up to yellow bars as long as there's a red bar to snipe with celestial fire to get the engine going. Also if you use a finisher it gives you restoration 2 which is insane. The general feeling of "my gun is burning me alive but as long as I have bullets I don't die" is just so fun

Karnsteins are crazy good right now. Proccing restoration x2 on a finisher is very easy and the timer resets whenever you get a melee kill. That includes glaives. Once you got it going you can mow through anything with a glaive without dying. I feel like it's slept on a bit.

i hate swap exotic strategies

Apotheosis veil could be an interesting with the new solarlock super, like it would basically just extend your super for 7 seconds (but without the flashy abilities)

Karenstiens is extremely fun now

Karnstein are good with a glaive, i basically live forever in any content with winterbite and 1 heavy ammo

Wait, the change to Apotheosis is hilarious. I think I might bust it out in GMs just for the meme of throwing out a small army whenever I super.

I main titan and after the bonk nerfs and slightly un-nerfing stasis I feel like Ill be playing a lot of hunter just trying to see how far I can push the giga dps glass cannon. Excited for the hunter vibe check!

How many threading do you reckon that was

I'm pretty tired of our classes reworks being so trash and unexciting honestly.

Karnstein actually is amazing rn. You get a finisher you get restoration 2x for 12 seconds if you have the extended duration on resto and if not its 8 seconds. While using this its really and i mean, REALLY hard to die

Hunters soon? dattoPAUSE

I have been begging for warlock exotics changes, there are still ones that have potential but fall short and these were not exactly the exotics that I think needed reworks. PROMETHEUS SPURS NEEDS HELP BUNGIE. I want cool exotics, I mean god damn it we’re warlocks and I feel like we need more space magic exotics

Apotheosis Veil feels like it was given some love in preparation for the new Warlock Super. I get the impression that its going to "extend" the new Super without extending it.

Ballidorse might be okay, it just depends on what “Frost Armor” actually entails.

This goes for Icefall Mantle too, since they practically do the same thing now minus Icefall nerfing your movement.

But both will be involved with the upcoming stasis self and ally buff.

Day whatever of continuing to ask why bungie nerfed promethium spurs and won’t buff it😢

I've been on the Felwinter's Helm boat ever since I realized you could proc its perk with Grapple Melee.

The Aspects I went for it are The Wanderer and Mindspun Invocation.

It all works well since the Threadlings and the unravel end up making Tangles which add to more Grapples or suspending enemies.

I normally pair it with Ager's Scepter to freeze enemies for an easier grapple setup against adds, but I might consider trying it with The Navigator with Catalyst for rapid grapples a la Strandoceps Titan.

If the Special Ammo economy would allow it, I'd have an Energy One-Two Punch shotgun for those beefier targets

Apotheosis Veil is a Mayhem exotic

I'm not to crazy about the changes either with the exception to Karnstein. I'm not a big fan of phoneix dive and what Karnstein does is cuts the extra steps out of the equation with higher uptime and you don't have to sacrifice a grenade but you can still do that if you want to give yourself 3 sources of restoration/cure via melees, finishers and dive. Pairing it up with incinerator snap and getting a finisher isn't too tricky, overall it opens up your kit quite a bit and can free up a fragment slot or 2.

Am I gonna take it raiding and into GMs? No, there's better exotics for that that offer more team support or damage opportunities.

Solo content? Yes, that's where I believe that it shines the brightest.(I solo'd 1st and 2nd encounter of Warlords ruin with these equipped currently working on final)

Honestly, as a Warlock player I rarely use Exotic armor. I'm sure some of them have their uses, but for how I like to play and what I like to focus on I don't find a good majority of them to be any useful.

Main reason datto is dying is because all he does is complain about everything

Nice info for anyone wanting to try Felwinter's:
Currently, Void Weakening effects have an interesting bug where any timer-based 30% Weaken can be extended by applying a timer-based 15% Weaken. Between Echo of Undermining and Child of the Old Gods, you can basically have a mini Tether that lasts longer and doesn't take your super.

It feels like they found a peice of the coding they can change smoothly alot, and just focused on that for 5 years. Bungie has a buff/debuff team and that's it!

Dude felwinter void lock is super fun.

Hi I was the person that said that people had not found a use for Balidorse. I appologize I was inccorect. There were some speedrun teams that have used it with some success I just had not seen anything for it and watched a video from a speedrunner a while back that said they had not found a strat where they are used.

The reason it was used was because it was a 15% buff that scalled with stasis surge and could allow extremely high damage burst windows by using someone with balidorse and ghorn and then everyone else would run radiant dance machine to very quickly spam out rockets from cold comfort. Now after the damage was changed to a surge effect it will not be used for speedruns. Anyways my b on that.

These reworks for Warlock are pathetic. Half of them feel like nerfs. Lookin at you, Ballidorse.

Why not try warframe content?

karnstein gauntlets(i forgor) are actually hella underrated imo, especially with the glaive buffs. If you pair it with something like vexcaliber, you have insane survivability to the point where ur basicslly immune

Ngl, I was pretty disappointed. Seems like the other classes are getting a bunch of work done, but warlocks aren't getting quite the same even though there are several exotics that work exactly the same as titan and hunter exotics that got changes. Just bizarre really

Bro. The karnstein adjust was huge. Cure x3 is absolutely bonkers compared to the 50 hp base heal. Additionally, it got finishers added as a trigger, which put it to 8 seconds of 50 hp/s vs the old 30 hp/s. And once you proc resto x2 from a finisher; melee kills will refresh it to 8 seconds again instead of overriding with resto x1. So it’s still a huge buff on every subclass, but solar can take it further by giving you empyrean to continually extend resto x2 and solace makes it start / reset to 12 seconds. Yeah, warlock can get resto x2 from heat rises + phoenix dive or touch of flame healing grenade, but that means giving up the fusion grenade and/or relying on phoenix dive.

All that to say: karnsteins buff is huge.

Ballin, but at what dorse...