EXTRA BITS - Printing and Typesetting History - Computerphile

EXTRA BITS - Printing and Typesetting History - Computerphile

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@AdamKlobukowski
@AdamKlobukowski - 09.09.2019 12:43

Typesetting history without mentionig TeX?????

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@VernAfterReading
@VernAfterReading - 15.09.2018 03:18

I wrote in Troff back in the 80s for a magazine we published. Then you would go down to some basement at the college and pick up the rolls of beautiful text so you could cut and paste them onto your layout. Still gets people when I say I did cut and paste literally - with an x-acto knife!

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@typograf62
@typograf62 - 23.08.2016 01:28

Many of the details of moveable type and early typesetters are not completely correct. The blank metal slugs are spaces, not leading. Leading are longer strips of lead or aluminium.

I've never heard about fibre optics in photosetters, moveable lenses, mirrors and prisms were the norm.

When setting by hand not only are the types mirror images, you also read them upside down. You build (compose) the lines, type by type, in a certain tool - a composing stick - that easily holds a few lines of type. Then you move the lines to the galley where the page is build. The pages are put together in the form.

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@alexanderchildress9093
@alexanderchildress9093 - 30.04.2015 07:29

Did he just say 'fiber optic bundle' to transport a single optical letter? Wow - that's the first I've heard of fiber optics in such a (semi-)historical context.

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@Toschez
@Toschez - 26.02.2015 21:44

I'm so glad he gets the pronunciation of Univers right.

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@5420EXTENSA
@5420EXTENSA - 19.10.2014 11:35

what's his name ?? where can i find more about him?

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@PhilHibbs
@PhilHibbs - 22.04.2014 20:59

The type is probably made from a lead-antimony alloy, which has the peculiar property that when it cools and sets, it expands slightly so that the metal squeezes into all the corners of the mould and makes nice sharp edges.

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@bdf2718
@bdf2718 - 09.02.2014 21:53

Most notable by its omision in this video (or the related computerphile videos I have so far seen is TeX.  DEK does get a brief mention in one video but nothing about TeX ir Metafont.  Strange, because I know TeX was in use at Nottingham in the 80s.

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@lloydnone
@lloydnone - 05.01.2014 15:19

Very interesting! Thanks for making this! Its great to not have a video that's rushing to finish!!!

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@inopibus8418
@inopibus8418 - 05.01.2014 00:48

Brady, please hold the camera still if possible or use a tripod. I feel like vomiting watching this!

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@89Ayten
@89Ayten - 23.12.2013 09:22

As a typographer & graphic designer I loved this! Thank you!

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@mercatorpsi
@mercatorpsi - 20.12.2013 04:09

Every "Desktop Publisher" needs to see this. I learned some of it through my undergrad, but there's a ton of interesting info toward the end! Thanks Brady!

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@sd4dfg2
@sd4dfg2 - 18.12.2013 07:53

I wrote my first resume in nroff. But printed it on a laser printer. I didn't know how much history I was jamming together.

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@TimSwast
@TimSwast - 17.12.2013 23:01

Great history lesson!

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@TheBilgepumper
@TheBilgepumper - 17.12.2013 22:24

I wonder if they'll devote a whole episode to LaTeX?

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@Hewpie
@Hewpie - 17.12.2013 16:14

Oooh I feel a video about LaTeX coming on... Can we have a video about LaTeX??

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@siprus
@siprus - 17.12.2013 07:23

To be fair, most inventors refined existing technology so that it became practical.

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@Chaoticmass
@Chaoticmass - 17.12.2013 07:10

Very good recap of the history of typesetting-- only disappointed he didn't get to LaTeX.

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@RMoribayashi
@RMoribayashi - 16.12.2013 21:12

Metal movable type printing using bronze was invented in Korea in 1230. Gutenbeg's greatest invention, the hand mould, could rapidly cast letters using a low melting point (~250C°) alloy of lead, tin, and antimony that is used to this day. He was helped along by preexisting inventions like the olive press and the fact that the Latin alphabet needed only around 100 characters. The 3000+ symbols needed for the Chinese language (or even the ~1800 Chinese characters used to represent Korean at the time) continued to make large scale woodblock printing more practical in both countries for centuries.

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@fergusmgraham
@fergusmgraham - 16.12.2013 18:02

I could listen to him talk about anything. He has a very soothing delivery :-)

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@ijunkie
@ijunkie - 16.12.2013 15:25

Most people don't know exactly what Gutenberg's invention was. He put a movable frame under a wine press. That's it. He created the first movable printing press, not the first metal type, which was a Korean invention of the 14th Century.

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@ForbinKid
@ForbinKid - 16.12.2013 09:45

I was training on PDP-11's in the 70s in Massachusetts at DEC, and seem to remember there was a lot of push back from the printing unions about this new typesetting method replacing workers.

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@phelpsio
@phelpsio - 16.12.2013 06:22

I absolutely love listening to this man.

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@tiger10guy
@tiger10guy - 16.12.2013 04:34

Where does Knuth's TeX system fit in to all this?

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@MegaPeers
@MegaPeers - 16.12.2013 03:22

Very interesting again, thanks a million!

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@theseriousaccount
@theseriousaccount - 15.12.2013 23:21

all theese vids are way too short... i want more indepth discussion.

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@evad1089
@evad1089 - 15.12.2013 23:19

On the theme of typesetting, is a LaTeX episode in the works? I would like to learn more about LaTeX's history.

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@SkyGrain
@SkyGrain - 15.12.2013 22:14

"representing data in a " puts on glasses computerphile....

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@ASilentS
@ASilentS - 15.12.2013 21:54

Linotype FTW!

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@ASilentS
@ASilentS - 15.12.2013 21:52

The Caslon italic ampersand is the most beautiful piece of typography in existence.

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@certee
@certee - 15.12.2013 21:44

old people of the future are going to be so cool

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@FishKungfu
@FishKungfu - 15.12.2013 21:37

This kind of history is so important to remember.  Thanks for making these videos, Brady!

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@slpk
@slpk - 15.12.2013 20:57

This man is a living Wikipedia!

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@BluishGreenPro
@BluishGreenPro - 15.12.2013 20:26

I don't think this should be relegated to an "Extra Bit", I think it should be up with the other videos on the channel. Fascinating stuff!

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@MuncleUscles
@MuncleUscles - 15.12.2013 20:17

What never fails to blow my mind is how utterly fascinating and interesting any imaginable subject becomes when explored in depth, and even more so when beautifully explained by a knowledgeable and intelligent person like Professor Brailsford.
Keep up the good work providing the best entertainment for high(and sober, whatever floats everyone's boats) people!

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@ATschTheCube
@ATschTheCube - 15.12.2013 20:07

I think the audio is a bit low on this one, checking your settings and comparing to other episodes might be a good Idea!

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@jdgrahamo
@jdgrahamo - 15.12.2013 19:39

I did a bit of type-setting when I was younger. The characters were read upside-down and back-to-front (so you could read left to right). Everything had to fit perfectly, otherwise any loose characters would just fall out. There are still a few printers' terms in use today, such as 'mind your p's and q's'. And apparently, though we never used it, the term 'dog's bollocks' which referred to the dash and colon    :-
A little video on printers would be nice -- daisy-wheel, ink-jet, laser. 3-D  How they work etc. Just a thought.

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@patrick1020000
@patrick1020000 - 15.12.2013 19:35

OMG I GET IT computerphile = computer file

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@OvyGr
@OvyGr - 15.12.2013 19:18

what about MEPS used for printing top 1 and 2 most spread magazines in the world of 2013 in over 100 languages simoulanously?

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@sanches2
@sanches2 - 15.12.2013 18:30

Thanks a lot :) it was a very interesting tech history lesson

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@YouHolli
@YouHolli - 15.12.2013 18:03

Are you going to cover TeX anytime soon?

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@PapaNoahful
@PapaNoahful - 15.12.2013 17:54

hey computerphile, really like the videos, but could you pleeeease work a bit more on your sound? I always have to turn up the volume to almost max, and if I forget to turn it down after your video it blasts my right off my chair..

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@Nilguiri
@Nilguiri - 15.12.2013 17:12

Very interesting. Thanks Brady.

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@TheWhitePianoKeyProductions
@TheWhitePianoKeyProductions - 15.12.2013 17:11

lol, these seem to be A LOT of extra bits

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@TheDarkerPath
@TheDarkerPath - 14.12.2013 20:07

Great stuff! A related video on the development of TeX and LaTeX would be equally awesome.

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@daedra40
@daedra40 - 14.12.2013 00:30

Perfect nonetheless again on computerphile :D

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@daedra40
@daedra40 - 14.12.2013 00:16

Apple and Microsoft?! Hahahaha :P

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@GegoXaren
@GegoXaren - 13.12.2013 20:51

\TeX
Nothing more to say.

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