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Any company or employer has a very fixated idea of what they want you to supply for them; and what they think is your worth. That idea is not likely to change much, no matter how hard you try to prove yourself.
If you got hired as a quick fix to cover a workers leave, if you got hired as aid to another worker or temporal reinforcement into a department etc., thats as high as you should hope to get within that company. Sure, you may have started on a temporal contract to cover a leave, and ender up becoming a staple worker with some benefits. Sure, you may be very hard working, or have crazy talent That does not mean they want to know you or that they care, nor will they ever consider you for managing roles, or even for a substantial raise. You are better off searching for the job you want to do elsewhere, than hoping you will get noticed by hardwork.
Hello, I need advice here, I am having an offer from MNC tech. My current organisation is an emerging Cloud Tech company. They are giving me a counter offer and I have been working here for the past 1 year and 3 months. What should I consider to move out or stay here? The work environment is good and have a supportive boss.
MNC tech - will have more challenge, work life balance will not be good
I really like my current role and I am extremely good at it, but, I am being paid a lot less than average for someone in my position. I have another offer and am due to have that chat tomorrow. Dreading it, I really like my boss and the company but I am struggling financially and this new salary will help!
ОтветитьI'm in a job that I don't mind, but I love your videos. So much wisdom and insight. I continue to apply for jobs even if I have little chance of finding anything better than what I'm in. It's good practice for any "unpleasant surprises" or aggressive stupidity that my employer decides to apply. Your advice gets me ready to maximize my chances in finding better work.
ОтветитьExcellent presentation Sir,helps me
Ответитьyou look great in that white sweater dude. you should wear it more often.
ОтветитьI like my current job, but ive been a contractor employee for 10 months now, and we had a meeting today saying there are no plans to hire any contractors as regular full-time employees. My manager talked to me before leaving work today and wamted me to hang in there and reassured me he was working on it for me. Ive applied to two different jobs after. Im pretty disgusted i havent been made a regular employee.
ОтветитьWhat’s your advice for someone considering a counter offer? By advice I mean what do I tell the external company as it was a role gotten via referral.
Ответитьi have a problem i have a job i like allot but theres not much for me in my carreer path. i got a job offer for 15/hr more then what im making now. the current job is laid back and very forgiving on time in and out as long as i get my 40 a week. the new job wold be at amazon as a controll system lead. what should i do?
ОтветитьI am happy with my job at amazon but the salary could be better, and now they are pushing us back to the office 3 days a week. So thinking to interview and get an offer just to negotiate for a better salary at my current employer. Not sure if it is a dumb idea, but if the offer is actually good I might as well leave.
ОтветитьThe most obvious situation where you might want to take the counter offer is when literally the only reason you were looking for a new opportunity (or just passively replying to recruiters knocking at your door) was the money.
It's a sad reality that corporations suck at keeping up with the market when it comes to salaries of long-term employees. It often isn't the problem of your bosses either - in corporate environment your raises are typically stuck in the general system and the people who actually see how you're doing might have very limited options to actually reward you: they can give you a high evaluation and recommend you for raises/promotions... and that's it, the rest is up to the huge bureaucratic machine that - by fault or by design - suffers from chronic inability to keep up with what people are worth based on their experience.
And then you come up, show your boss that offer you got from elsewhere - and depending on your situation it may be less "threatening" to leave and more giving your boss the ammunition to cut right through the red tape and catapult your lagging salary to what you're actually worth (as evidenced by the offer you've just received). In a huge corporation it sounds completely different when you say "well, I have this great employee, could we give him a 30% raise?" as compared to "well, I have this great employee we need and he's about to leave for a 30% higher offer from competition, can we match it?".
Assuming you actually like your current company and have good relations with your current boss, accepting the counter offer might be bringing you everything you actually wanted (salary updated to match the market conditions) without the hassle and risks inherent to changing employers.
And, of course, you can say "but if they failed to keep up with the market before, they'll surely do so again". And that's right - that's what's inevitably going to happen. But here's the thing: that offer from elsewhere? There's like 99% chance that things wouldn't be any better there. Because, unfortunate as it might be, that's what happens in pretty much every single damned corporation...
very insightful - shows experience !
ОтветитьRule of thumb: if you got a counter offer, all that means is that they could have given it to you at any time but didn’t. It also means that what it’ll likely take to get your next raise.
ОтветитьDon’t take the counter offer ever. Had a former boss offered to domicile me out of a different terminal closer to home and have my own truck running solo but I would have to take a pay cut. He was trying to get me to stay and give me some song and dance. I left and it was the best thing I ever did.
ОтветитьWe are the ones who need to thank you, Brian! We really have to thank you from the bottom of our hearts!
ОтветитьYou are truly great, Brian! Thank you so much for presenting us your expertise. It is beyond useful !
ОтветитьHi! many thanks for all your tips! I got the job offer I wanted with a competitive salary and great employee benefits. I can´t take you enough for all the help and encouragement that you gave me.
ОтветитьGot any videos or links to help someone getting back into the job market after over a decade of running their own business?
ОтветитьYou tell them it's funny that a company that doesn't know me is giving me more than you who knows me, Adios
ОтветитьThanks for the very interesting video. Could you touch on sign-on bonuses, namely in large tech companies ? I'm perfectly fine repaying the bonus if I decide to leave, though do you think it's negotiable to say "only repay the bonus if I decide to leave the company myself not if the termination of employment is out of my control". I'm curious how they would react, though it seems hard to argue from a company perspective that they don't want to negotiate on that, it could sound very sketchy.
ОтветитьAs a fellow recruiter I should say you have some good points. However, I do believe that when you are willing to talk to other employers; in your head you’re already gone and willing to leave your current one.
I agree that it’s always good to talk to other recruiters en enployers from time to time to keep you fresh and know your wortv, but it does usy result in leaving your job sooner or later…
Simple answer is never accept a counter offer. The company you were working for knows you want to leave and will do what it can to replace you by taking the extra time to move work and other tasks and bringing in replacement folks. That offer is just to get you to stay to save them. And as your usefulness decreases well you could end up eventually on a cut as you wanted to leave and are not loyal enough. Plus the company you were going to work for will now look at you as having used them to get that offer and that job is gone for good.
ОтветитьI recently went through this. Interviewed with and accepted an offer from a new company. Gave my resignation notice at my current job & was asked "What if we gave you a raise? Would you stay?" (We haven't gotten raises in 3+ years) I said no, because my reason for leaving was not just monetary. I'm in a very dead end position with no growth potential; been here 7.5 years. I said, "Even if you can afford to pay me what I feel I'm worth, what am I gonna do? Sit at this desk and continue to rot?" Basically shut that conversation down. 😬 I really enjoy my current job & coworkers but it's going nowhere & I'm nearing 40. Time to make some moves.
Ответить😂 so the counter offer for me was maybe I can get promoted down the road with increased responsibility, they mentioned it would take 6 more months for the process of promotion and there was no guarantee. I ended up just leaving which was the right decision. A few weeks later to replace me they hired 3 people all with a job level higher than mine. It’s how the game works always look out for yourself.
ОтветитьHey what do you do if a current employer lowers the offer you agreed to when you first agreed to work for them? We’re talking about a $7 per hour dollar difference. While this doesn’t seem like a lot it was a lot to me and it was insulting.
ОтветитьI never take a counter offer - every single issue is still there and they may keep you until they find your replacement.
ОтветитьThink about it, there’s a reason/reasons you’re jumping ship. Sweetening the pot with some additional Jack isn’t going to change a work culture that’s rotten to the core.
ОтветитьI’ll stick with the advice you did from your other video. Never accept a counter offer!
ОтветитьI'm not accepting counter offers.
ОтветитьNever take a counter offer. They didn’t appreciate you enough before to pay you properly or provide a decent work environment. So, what makes you think they will now? They’re just using you to train somebody else before they give you the boot.
ОтветитьFirst, never tell your current job your new salary at the new job. Tell them you signed a non-disclosure agreement to not discuss anything about your new job.
That way, they can’t give you a counter offer. They should have offered the pay rise while you were there all along.
It’s a non-negotiable situation. Your boss and your company doesn’t have your best interest. They want to exploit the best employee while paying them a low salary.
Move on and enjoy your new job.
I considered telling my employer about a job offer I received to see if they would counter. But, I decided that the offer was not as good as what I currently have, and to not extort my current employer.
ОтветитьCurrently interviewing for another agency that is trying to recruit me. It’s for a level up and $15k more. Only downside is that it’s 3 days in person. Really weighing my options here! Glad I clicked on this video.
ОтветитьNever
ОтветитьThis is exactly what happened to me, i wasnt looking for a new place to work per se but one of our manager left for a competition company and he knew the skill i would bring if i left with him but i didnt wanna leave, owner of said competition place called me directly to offer me a position at his company, offer me a salary i didnt accept but went to my current company about another offer i had, they matched the offer from the competition without me getting more responsibilities, i am happy about this turn of events
ОтветитьVendor told me about a job opportunity after hearing me vent about my [then] job; low wage, meaningless tasks, controlling/hoarder (15yrs) boss. I had planned to stick it out for a year before moving on and I was already at my limit @ 8 months. I interviewed with the new company and they hired me on the spot for 2x the salary but with a 2-hour/expensive commute. When (old job) HR asked why I was leaving, I held my tongue about the nutty boss (they knew she was cray), just said industry and salary weren't a good fit. Then, they countered with almost the same amount as the new job. I confided to my co-worker (10yrs) about the counter offer (not the $ amount) and she replied; "If you take their offer, you'll never see another raise. That's what happened to me!" Too dysfunctional and toxic to stay. Took my chances on the new gig.
ОтветитьI've used contacts from recruiters and even set up interviews/screenings with them to leverage for a promotion with my current employer. I knew that the promotion was coming and was something I really wanted for my resume, but it was in limbo for a few months that I was growing frustrated with it. A little before that, my direct manager used similar methods to re-align our employer's goals to be more inline with his as well as to expedite my promotion, as my new position was greatly going to benefit him in the workplace. Both of us don't view our current place poorly by any means, but my manager was growing weary with how certain things were being handled and I was growing impatient. Both of us managed to get what we wanted and the hope now is that the issues we had would be alleviated by a good amount while still benefiting us in both the workplace and in pay.
Although neither of us ended up receiving a "new offer" from the potential new employers, we both were able to greatly leverage for improvements to our current situation. Sometimes, just seeing what is out there and letting our bosses know that we're "free agents" to other employers can be the catalyst to improve our current situation. Of course, it won't work for every employer and I wouldn't have confidence in doing the same thing with many other companies. However, since I felt that my employer greatly respected what I bring to the org, I knew I could use the tactics describe. The org operates pretty lean, so losing either of us would be a major set back to them as our skill sets are pretty hard to come by. Sadly, there are a ton of companies out there who view their employees as expendable assets and are willing to cut them off in a blink of an eye. It really does depend on the situation as well as the employer on how we should approach these things.
Funny enough, we both felt some red flags go up while interviewing for our respective positions that made us decline moving forward with the new companies. Heck, the position I was looking for ended up being a downgrade in pay and when I inquired with them about the company, some of the things I was hearing did not instill confidence that I would enjoy working there over my current place.
Anyways, great video Bryan! Love the information and tips you put out there!
Some employers will give you a better offer if they think you are going to quit just to keep you until the find a replacement, then cut you loose.
If you are working for a consulting company, standard procedure is to threaten to quit to get a better deal. This only works if the client likes you.
Been hearing people getting their job offers recinded a lot lately
ОтветитьIf you accept the counter, you now have a target on your back. They will see you as a flight risk or disloyal or you blackmailed them. You will be fired or layed off in less than a year.
ОтветитьA counter offer is just a placeholder method used by companies to temporarily retain you until they get a replacement in order to lay you off and then put another resource willing to do your job for cheaper.
Never take a counter offer
Counter-offers are bullshit. seriously, guys... have some respect
ОтветитьHey there, love the channel. I got my start in recruiting at the largest retained executive search firm and worked for a number of others since. My experience is that you should never take a counter-offer. You mark yourself for dismissal as soon as they find a replacement for you. Your resignation labels you disloyal and not worth keeping as soon as it is not inconvenient to have you gone. Never resign unless the new offer gives you something beyond money - something that your current company can never give you and put that reason in your resignation letter. Print out the letter, hand it to them and stand there while they read it. Recruiters should coach their candidates on how to resign and they should not give an offer to a candidate who says they would consider a counter-offer.
ОтветитьFuck the counter offer always leave.
ОтветитьI'm so immature. I giggled at the thought of some random recruiter "sliding into your DM's", lol. I can imagine some absurd conversation where they pitch a new job offer to you in a way that sounds more like asking you on a date, lol 😅
Ответитьlove your videos, I would love to hear your take on coming back to a company that one worked for before in the past. thanks
ОтветитьI had this happen to me earlier this year when I was fully unemployed. I had a startup wanting to give me a salary with no benefits which was a huge red flag (was considering since I was out of work for over 6 months). I told company B I was interviewing with that I had an offer on the table, so they expedited me through the interview process. Ended up getting an offer from company B, and them being more established gave me a higher salary and full benefits. Company A came back and matched Company B's salary but couldn't do anything about the health insurance. I took company B,'s offer but it was the first time in my career that I experienced how much leverage we have as candidates by simply having another offer or option on the table.
ОтветитьI have rarely seen this work out well. Old company suddenly sees you worth more and only THEN do they pay you? And they will cut you loose the very moment it's in their interest to do so. Feh. Take the new gig!
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