WinWing F-16EX FSSB and Throttle Review & Settings

Curves fixed the F16 stick. -AT

Definitely hear ya with the need for the force + displacement mode to make it feel right. 🤘🏻

Will there be a review of the accessories to turn the throttle into a collective?

Yah no desire to buy Chinese crap.

When comparing the WW Orion 2 F16 Throttle to the new Thrustmaster one, make sure to take into account, that WW Orion 2 Throttle Base also allows to switch from the F16 Throttle grip to the WW FA18 Throttle grip if you have it. So the WW Orion 2 is not a unambiguous design, so WW could build upon the base as it has now with the F15E Throttle grips and more to come in the future, I'm sure

Maybe i have missed it, but why do you not answer, or avoid, questions about BMS Falcon?

Great little review. I am still trying to get the MSFFB settings down correct, I will try your settings. The extra buttons have helped for the “sim world”, I use the two hidden buttons in the throttle grip for “Ready PreContact” and recenter my VR headset. I use the funny four way switch for the NWS as a VR zoom. I have not been a fan of the DCS F-16, but with this setup it is growing on me.

Looking forward to the Thrustmaster comparison!! Great info 😊

I have the WinWing F-16 throttle and the whole Hornet rig. Their stuff is amazing, no doubt. I even have their Airbus stick grip, since that's what I fly IRL. I use the Real Simulator FSSB-R3 for my F-16 stick, and have been very happy with it. It would be interesting to see someone do a side-by-side on the Real Sim F-16 vs. the WinWing. Looking forward to the WW throttle vs. TM throttle video! This is a great time to be into flight simming. : )

Fair and dead on review. I've had the full WinWing F-16EX since it was released and got one of the first MFSSBs released. I still have one of the first Thrustmaster Cougars released as well as Real Simulator's FSSB. The WinWing setup is light years ahead of the Cougar and Warthog (a friend has it now). A force sensing stick for the Viper just feels right. I never flew the Viper but have ~11,000 hours on the A320 and 330. The 'bus stick is similar to the MFSSB but not really. It has more motion than the actual Viper, the Cougar's FSSB, or MFSSB (only movement was the loose connection of the stick to the base that has plagued T'master since Cougar on day 1). I'd prefer less motion on the FSSB but it's more than good enough. I completely agree that finding the right force/movement setting is a chore. I'm still not completely satisfied. I wasn't sure how the stick would feel flying non-Viper A/C in DCS or FS but it does well enough. Strangely, even helos are OK though a bit weird with DCS' silly trimmer kludge. Simapppro is powerful but at the same time I find very little use for it since DCS and FS both have their own mapping. Calibration and switching between axis and switch mode on some of the hats can be very useful. The extra buttons, axes, and switches do help a lot bridging the sim/real gap we can never escape with desktop sims. They're even more useful for those of us who use VR.

Dang that does look like a lot to get the thing set up but, after you got it going looks like so much fun, can't wait to see and hear about the difference between the two throttles, have to admit I'm kind of jealous, thank you C.W. for all your info.

I back up my control folder for all the aircraft to another location to keep DCS from wiping my controls. I just have to cut and paste, or I can redirect the search from DCS to the location of my backup folder.

I own this snce release and it's amazing in DCS. The new Thrustmaster one is like a kids toy compared the WinWing version (and more expensive)

Happy to see that Winwing hooked you up Mover.

Got the full Hornet setup with Ddi's and all (for vr). Have to say I love it.

Also saw the Thrustmaster new Viper throttle but that's a whole lot of plastic for a whole lot of money. Just less sturdy at a too steep price point.

Aircrafts lol

I´ve got the F16EX Stick and an F15EX Throttle to maximize my button count. I prefered it to my previous Virpil setup, felt communistic compared to Winwing. Also the F/A 18 UFC, wich is also helpfull. The setup is great to fly more modules i love.

Gotta get some feeler gauges and check those throttle quadrant tolerances.

You should try the new Thrustmaster TQS throttle and stick on the same base when those come out.

I have similar issues with the man range knob on the throttle. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I hate the way Winwing did it versus TM Cougar/Viper/real TQS. I think it's because 4ways + push are always kind of a mess, specifically the push part. And the range rotary seems much harder to manipulate without accidentally hitting one of the 4ways. I dig what WW does with the swappable throttles, and I think the TM seems rather overpriced, but between the man range knob and the slap switch I'm honestly a bit torn

I don't need to watch this I just bought a virpil 🥹

Having the F-16EX hotas, Muscle Memory to the Simulation.

what pedals do you recommend?

Would be nice if the throttle had the countermeasures panic switch…

I HATE you mover!!…..you just made me drop 1k+ on this setup 😂
Had been itching to move forward with this setup for about a year, and after watching your review, I Just placed the order for the same f16 throttle and Force sensing stick….of course that meant I had to order the monstertech mounts 😵‍💫
I have always wanted to get a more realistic experience of flying the F16 in VR, and this will bring me closer to that.

They definitely just gave us extra buttons because most people don't have a full pit rig, lets us fill in a couple of the missing functions that would otherwise need keyboard work.
I use mfd cougars and a tek creations ICP, and pretty rarely need to go to the keyboard when in in the f16 now, mostly I use it for the text chat or looking at other camera angles now

Same setup here, great to hear from an actual F16 driver! Yuuuht!

Thanks for the review. I own the same throttle and I was wondering about one thing I run into. When in DGFT mode, you can press the "cursor enable" switch on the throttle to slave the AIM9 seeker to the JHMCS. But pressing also makes a slight movement on it which enables "ACM slewable" mode which then auto-locks the hostile and the stealthiness is gone. Is there any way to prevent that? Or was it just the same in the real jet?

I wish I had 20 million dollars of sponsors for my HOTAS setup, im all kinds of jelly- im stuck with an X56 and some desk clamps on my reclaimed barnwood desk (i built mysellf) - hope to see you in the skies in DCS. Good hunting Lemoine

Are your antenna elevation knob very loose with a lot of play in it?

Be interesting to watch your review on the Thrustmaster Viper TQS..
I've started flying again on DCS and my old Cyborg 3D Gold doesn't cut the mustard anymore...

I have the Winwing F-18 stick. After a couple years of hard use the thumb hat switch broke. Customer service was OK and sold me a $12 US switch and $23 to ship. Looks easy to swap out, snap in and plug connector. Pretty happy with the stick overall, never used their mapping software.

The audio feedback is actually a feature on the Gripen! I find it useful in that it tells me pulling harder won't make a difference! The haptic feedback could be useful for those who fly in VR!

Have you had any problems with the products so far?

Nice review! After a month or so i would like to ask you if you found the correct setting for the stick and if you would recommend to someone who would use it in DCS to fly other jets beside the F-16. I am considering this base, but undecided between the normal version and the MFSSB one. Thanks

Good timing. My VKB is dying after two years, tech support can't offer me much hope, and the Viper is becoming my main module anyway so this sounds like a good move.

I was curious about the accuracy of the force sensing stick. I've heard reviews complaining that the stick only senses force once you hit the maximum bounds of stick displacement, but the reviewers were obviously not former Viper drivers. How does it compare to the real stick, and does the force sensing really add that much more to justify the additional ~270$? Thanks

What desk mount do you use?

Great videos, thank you. Q: if you are left handed, can you get your IRL aircraft configured opposite (ie stick in left, throttle right)? Cheers!

Can you please expand a bit on setting up the fssb correctly? This has been the main problem most people seem to have. Apparently there is an issue with the center, in that it first moves a tiny bit, then there is a delay in the stroke before it hands over to force. If you managed to set it up without this transition problem, I think the community would love to hear!

Are there still issues with the F16 pulling the wires that come out of the base to much, I saw a while ago that was an issue?

What mounts do you use

Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. Full fidelity on buttons is not necessary it it makes sense. For example, the well-placed zoom wheel on the Thrustmaster makes a lot of sense.

Thanks for review Mover, I am big WinWing fan, have full set ups for both F-18 and the 16, this FSSB stick is giving me fits though. I am having trouble finding a setting I can be consistent and precise with. The Full Realistic set up was terribly hard to play, way too sensitive, especially in a Lefthand roll. I am about to give up on this stick and use my Libra for both aircraft.

Can you give us any update regarding durability? Is everything working as new? Or are there any issues?

I was wondering about the block as well, I emailed them, and they said Block 60. honestly, I really would rather have the other radar nob.

I love the viper throttle grip. And the orion 2 base yes decent in button count and sliders and everything inbetween. My only problem was with the stick. I prefer the thrustmaster a10 stick. Although yes it has less buttons and no options for addons

Why didn't they put a switch to turn of the engine somewhere instead of at the beginning of the throttle travel? I don't get that..