Classic Coffee Moka Pot Tutorial | Bialetti vs Grosche | Impossibly Kosher

I bought a Grosche Milano 3 cup to replace an old Italian-made G.A.T. (3 cup) that suffered a lot of damage from being left on the burner that I forgot to turned off. I chose it because it was a bit less than the Bialetti and I loved the blue color. I had also just purchased a 6 cup Bialetti a couple of months before and wanted to try a different brand.

I was disappointed in the quality. It's thinner, therefore it weighs less, than the G.A.T. which makes it feel flimsy in comparison. The filter and the basket also seem cheap. The only thing I like about it besides the color is the handle. It's larger and easier to grab.

As for brewing, I didn't experienced the sputtering that is shown in this video. It brews fine. It flows evenly and smoothly. But then I replaced the filter with the old one from the GAT which I was able to clean, so that might make it brew better. Anyway, I just think it's overpriced for what it is. It's an OK Chinese product at an Italian price. In retrospect I should've gotten another Bialetti. Would've loved to have gotten another G.A.T. but that model is no longer being made.

I got a large Grosche, 12 cups and i cannot get the coffee (except for a few drops) to move into the top compartment. I see steamon top and even from the sides, especially where the two paers attach, but nothing substantial goes up, so the coffee simply stays in the bottom and the process is a complete failure. Anyone else had this experience?

I believe both are aluminum

Great video! You did almost everything right! But I'm disappointed that you included James Hoffman's hacks in your method because they're not authentic and don't improve the flavor at all.

The traditional Italian way to make Moka pot coffee since 1933 doesn't produce bitter or burnt coffee because they remove the pot from the heat early and let it finish brewing and filling up off the heat. There's enough heat inside the pot to finish it off the stove. They also start with cold or room temperature water, cook it on a low gas flame or medium electric stove, and know to take it off the heat immediately when it starts to gurgle or a second before it starts to gurgle.

They also stir up the first coffee from the bottom before they pour.

The only in depth Italian video about how to make Moka pot coffee is "Annalisa J Moka pot."

Let's please not corrupt a 90 year traditional method that produces perfect coffee every time by incorporating hacks that were invented by a guy to compensate for his poor technique. Hoffman admitted he doesn't understand the Moka pot and he even said, "It broke me!" I really think he owes Italy an apology.

If not have steady flow is game over, is sputtering coffee is extracted at too high temp

I"m shopping for a 6 cup moka pot and I'm trying to decide between these two. Nice coincidence that you have this video featuring my two choices.

I use pretty much the same method as this video, except that while I'm heating up the water in the microwave I fill the basket with the grounds and place it on top of a little glass, that fits it perfectly, to hold in the meantime. I also heat up the base on the burner (I have electric stove) for a little bit, the time it takes to put the water in the microwave and to fill the basket). When the water is hot, almost boiling, I pour it on the already warm base, place the basket, screw the top and back on the burner it goes, at medium high. I've been doing it this way for a couple of years and I believe that this method produce a better brew since it reduces the time the grounds have to be heated up to a minimum.

Wouldn’t freshly ground beans make even better coffee than pre-ground coffee?

stainless steel? its aluminum

The key of using the Moka pot is to maintain the water temperature. Use the medium heat at first then turn the heat to low once the coffee start to come out. Either Bialetti or Grosche works the same way. The point you make on where they are made from doesn’t make any sense. The reason that your Grosche splashing over because you use the same level of heat.

I use a heat diffuser when the Bialetti is used on a gas stove. The heat diffuser prevents the flame from contacting the pot, thus preventing scorching of the coffee. I have never had a bitter tasting coffee as a result. There is the added safety of the diffuser providing a more stable platform for smaller pots, instead of trying to balance them on the trivet.

yeah but the Italians were Germany's bitch in ww2; so why would I want to use anything made by them?

I wanted to see a comparison of the two brands. You did that very well. However, I want to note that you mentioned that the Bialetti was made in Italy and that it was stainless. The only part now made in Italy is the valve, the pot is made in China. Both pots you used for the comparison are made of aluminum. I prefer using stainless steel due to health issues with aluminum. Otherwise, well done comparison.

But, does it make enough for a whole cup of coffee (12-16oz), or does it only make espresso amounts of coffee? I’m not much of a latte person, just black with a touch of sugar and sweet butter. I’ve heard that moka pots make wonderful coffee, and would love to switch from my French press, but only if it brews enough for a full cup

I wonder if there are two factors causing the spluttering on the Grosche? #1 more stainless steel involved which retains and processes more heat. #2 perhaps a valve adjustment (they can be adjusted) to a tad less tight, relieving a little pressure would cause less spluttering. Just an unscientific epiphany. That being said, even if those considerations worked, I’d purchase the Bialetti over anything from China as well. I have two Moka pots, one is stainless steel (no issues with spluttering) from China; and a Gnali & Zani Moka pot! 9 cup, is made in Italy. The G & Z splutters like nobody’s business! It is aluminum (I think, and white enamel outside?)

I wonder why there is so many bialetti prices? In my country there are bialetti 3 cups for 25 dolar and 250 dolar. They look same in picture...
How much is a bioletti 3cups in your country? Is there a quality diffrence?

The Venus Bialetti is stainless steel, not the same as the one you used. Bialetti's are made in China, only the valve is made in Italy...

whats the problem with made in China? apple is making most of their products in China and will you double about the quality? meanwhile Italy is not wellknow for "quality" products too.

hello.... I love coffee so much and I really want to learn how to use my moka pot

Ethiopian makes the best coffee !

I own a 6 cup Grosche stainless steel and make it as you do. I have never had my Grosche sputter as in your video, that sputtering indicates the heat is too high. But my question, why do you remove the top to pour the coffee. Once under cold water, the brew has ceased and the coffee can be poured into a cup. I don't remove the base until latter after the entire unit has cooled down somewhat.

Yessssss, please stay away from Chinese products. One at a time we will make a change.

with warm water ? not just faster but better ? i try this morning

The Groche's brew looked like it was leaking through a gap between the basket and the boiler chamber's rim, like the basket didn't fit snugly against the boiler's rim and then seal against the gasket.

This video helped in making my decision. Just now ordered the Bialetti Moka Express. What size pot was used in this video? I ordered the 3 cup Moka Express, which states is made in Italy. I hope that's true. I like a lot of milk in my coffee, so I didn't see the need to buy a 6 cup. Plus, the coffee I drink isn't cheap, so the less I have to use, the better. Thanks for all your information!

I've just started using a Moka pot, not a Bialetti, but a less expensive one. I also had the same spluttering issue, it made a right mess of the kitchen! I traced the issue down to not getting a good seal between the top and bottom sections. It needed to be tighter! Once I did this, it worked brilliantly, with the coffee coming out slowly and smoothly.
It tastes lovely too, no bitterness whatsoever.

Italy - yes. China - nooooo.

Thank you.

Great video! I actually just bought a Grosche and it’s sputtering when I try to brew my coffee. I am not sure why this happens but wondering if you are supposed to boil the water before adding the coffee basket and putting onto a low flame? Or do people use cold water and let it all boil at the end?

Thanks for posting...I used this method over 20 years ago but guessing i was not doing it correctly. I will have to dust off my Moka pot and try again.

Best vid so far!

The Turks make best coffee. It must be the sand. It's a perfect balancing of milk, sugar and coffee.

The original.

Sadly, bialettis are also now made in China. The ones that are sold in the uk anyway…

You were incorrect on the steel because all the Bialetti models were* all made out of aluminum in the 30s

I agree... Italy makes a much better café... Although, the pot is manufactured using aluminum not stainless steel... Just saying, otherwise good review and comparison... 👍🏻

Thank you 😊 I have started using your technique for making my morning coffee .I use a Gronenberg instead . Amazing 🤩 Thank you so much

Hello!
Have you ever tried the Bialetti Mukka Express???