Why the Death Star 2 Could Have Been Legitimately Invincible

Emperor: I'm hungry. Please order pizza.
Darth Vader: How many?
Emperor: Order 66

Rogue One didn't change the exhaust port per se - they just said that Galen Erso engineered a flaw in the reactor system. Even before Disney, the Rebels at Yavin knew about a small weak spot that would set off a chain reaction, and Luke still needed the Force to hit it. Whether the weakness was because of Galen Erso deliberately designing a flawed reactor, or the Wookiee slaves building a redundant exhaust port before one of the architects got it taken off the plans, is largely immaterial.

I think the Empire would have defeated the Yuuzhan Vong with a completed DS2. Thoughts?

How come DS2 was built so fast when DS1 took 20 years to construct?
Unless DS1 was a prototype or a decoy while the true DS2 was being buildt.
Even unknown to Tarkin

Two things can be true at once. Erso could have put the flaw in on purpose And Luke could have been the only one as it turned out that could have made the shot. Meaning if not for Luke coming along, Erso's flaw would have turned out to be not flawed enough.

DS2 still didnt make radiation shielding for the superlaser crew...

This is extremely impressive. Very. Thanks for this. This is very interesting. Palpatine's arrogance is his weakness😊I think it's good exhaust port was a construction flaw. May the Force be with you too😊

It might have been invincible if Gayland hadn't put in that flaw.

I like canon narrative here with Galen Erso. Even given that the heat exhaust was a secret intentional flaw, it could still reasonably be a “one in a million” shot that was pulled off by Luke and his connection to the Force. I don’t remember Erso saying it would be an easy hit, he was just clear it would destroy the whole station.

I can see potential continuity between the Erso Narrative and the other scientist guy you talked about. The one Sidious killed over and over. Can’t remember his name. I think it’d be cool if you put the names of the characters in text when you mention them for the first time. Plus then I’ll know how to spell them haha

Well Palp didn’t understand the concept “quantity has a quality all of its own” Joseph Stalin

Not only does the Disney reimagining detract from Luke’s accomplishments, it also hamstrings the entire ingenuity of the Rebel Alliance as a whole.

The Rebels got the plans (originally from Kyle, I digress) then they had to comb over the specs to find any flaw. Then they had to find a way to exploit any flaws they found. Then they needed to have skilled enough soldiers to execute any plans against those flaws.

This series of events made the Rebels Strong. Smart. Resilient. Courageous. A fully functioning machine in which all cogs are turning together for a singular goal.

In Rogue 1…they make the rebellion look lucky, not deft.

((Before I get roasted, I know Rogue 1 is good, and I appreciated it as a great movie. I just didn’t like how it did no justice to the resiliency of a unified resistance.))

I didn't like the change Disney did. I preferred the idea that the Rebels found a unintentional weakness in the design that only a force user was able to exploit.

I feel like the scale of DS2 is directly contradicted by the scale of the wreckage of in Rise of Skywalker - but I also like to pretend that movie actually made sense, so 🤷‍♂

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I think Galen wanted a flaw that wasn’t too obvious and hoped that someone could make the one-in-a-million chance shot

The Death Star 3 would have been even more powerful, as it would have had gravity well generators. Aka, it would have been able to stop ships from entering hyperspace. "No one enters, no one leaves" the combat zone.

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Laser Moon vs Laser Moon 2.

I wonder if the shield projected from endor was eventually supposed to be an integrated component. Also I think two things can be true at once. It seems as though it was very difficult to obtain the plans as seen in the story from Rouge One and also to engineer the flaw in construction. It may be that the exhaust port on ds1 was intentional but also all the saboture engineers could muster without drawing attention to it allowing the flaw to be overlooked and constructed in the final design. No man is an island after all and though Luke was forced sensitive to the max he was not even close to fully trained by the end of A New Hope. The whole Jedi order couldn't end the clone wars on their own and failed to forsee the rise of the Empire. It took many people and resources to allow Luke to accomplish the destruction of ds1 where as it took a fully trained Luke and the assistance of the enlightened Vader to over throw the emperor and the assistance of his highly capable friends along with the entire rebellion on endor and in space to destroy ds2 even in its incomplete state. Had they failed to infiltrate endor and bring down the shield, even if Luke succeeded on the station, th ds2 would have been completed, the rebellion devastated, and the empire would have remained the dominant ruling power in the galaxy for the foreseeable future.

What a convoluted way to destroy a planet,

I think I prefer it being an accidental weakness. It shows the monumental arrogance and hubris of the Empire far better.

Now we need to compare this to Starkiller base

Yes, be a fan of a retcon that cheapens Luke's one in a million shot. Changing it to something that he pulled off thanks to an Imperial with a conscience and his girl boss daughter.

I thing mixing both explainations for the exhaust port is the best option. A sabotage attempt that had to stay under the radar and was therefore impossible to exploit by anyone who wasnt force sensitive. Everyone knew that the rebellion was aiding and protecting former jedi.

Best improvement of the Death Star II?

The Lego shop.

I didn't think the ds2 laser had quicker recharge. I thought it was just that it had a lower power mode, and since the power was lower it would not take as long to charge up.

I do not think “several orders of magnitude larger” means what you think it means.

How did they know about the exhaust port? Any evidence that it was exploited would have been destroyed.

What about the IG-88 brain??

Luke shooting the pink missiles through the exhaust port is due to the corrdination of him, the force mainly calculating everything and Kenobi's greenlight saying "now" frame perfect it was.
Plus the force itself moves at incredible speeds.
I wonder if lightsaber blade itself can deflect a turbolaser shot or the Death star 2 biggest laser?

Even if it was a weakness it was near impossible to pull of the shoot part from Luke

I think that the DS1 port weakness can definitely be intentional and an amazing feat by Luke aided by the force and not just one or the other. A good analogy i think is that shooting a 3pt shot in basketball is a hard shot and takes much practice to do reliably although still very doable by anyone who puts in the time to develop the skill but there is a massive difference between making that shot alone on a goal in your driveway and making that shot in an NBA game with some of the best players trying to stop you. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that is easy

Luke using the force to blow up the Death Star is how it should have stayed.
With all properties these days they change way to much instead of leaving the history and lore as it should be.

The only canon is the 3 original movies. Luke had to use the force to make that shot.

I think it is easy enough to believe both sides to still be true, the port was put there intentionally, and Luke was the only one who could make the shot (proved by the other guy's computer missing his shot)

Emperor: constantly searching for ways to achieve immortality
Also the emperor: keeps bringing some rando engineer back to life

Ty for talking about Lemelisk. Seems like nobody knows about him. Him being tortured by flesh eating beetles in I forget which book after the destruction of the first Death Star left a morbid stain on my young mind lol

I actually like the addition of an intentional design flaw. It was an opening left by George in episode 4. "We've discovered a weakness... many botan spies died to bring is this information. " mon matma said.
They never go into how it was discovered.
Galen Erso was under constant supervision, so any weakness would've had to be small enough to go unnoticed.
I believe "Rogue One" and the story it tells is a healthy addition to Star Wars.
And IMO it takes nothing away from Luke at all. He still had to trust in the Force to hit a target noone else could.

Lucas left some openings in his stories intentionally for this very reason.

Disney always retconning stuff to make their crap look good... not a fan of Blondie McLuckyShot but still, better the original version than the sabotage bit.

The emperor should have waited until the station was complete to lure the rebels in to use it on them.

I think of the DS1 weakness as both Design and The Force

Erso tried to make it as small as possible but just large enough to still be targetable by computers. However he wasn't quite able to get it large enough for most targeting systems and hoped that there would be a system out there capable of doing it
Unfortunately there just wasn't a computer up to snuff for it and that's where Luke and The Force jump in to save the day

I think I agree with both, from legends and canon.

Actually, both death stars are quite fragile. My cat was able to destroy not one, but two very expensive Lego Death Star sets using the power of "Stop ignoring me".

How did the Falcon and a couple of X-wing fighters reach the main reactor at the heart of DS2 in minutes? They would have had to fly over 250 miles.

I think it does detract from Luke's accomplishment, but not by a significant amount.

Yeah sure its debatable with the open port. Luke used the force, so yeah, the odds were really small to get blown by such an attack. But really, why not get some protection there? Doesnt cost anything and is easily installed.

I mean even if it was an intentional weak spot it took a force user to exploit so I don't see how it detracts from anything.

Imagine if the Separatist Alliance still had the plans of the
first Death Star and still had hold of it. While being protected.

If the Early Empire wouldn't had used Bio chemical weapons against the Billions of Geonosians while killing almost all of them off.
It would of had turned out differently. Though if you didn't know, expect 1 Geonosian survived and the 1 Geonosian Queen egg survived.
For many years since the New Republic It's been rumored that their have been many Geonosian eggs that survived. That they would have a new hive. Throughout the years, decades, and centuries.
The New Republic knew about the Separatist from the Clone War, and Clone wars and the Separatist of the later years after the Republic been transformed to the Empire and during.

To add on their is 3 Death stars
Theirs the Prototype Death Star,
Death Star I, and Death Star II.
To add a bonus
In one Starwars Legends in one of the comics, that the late Empire started the constuction of Starkiller base.

Well i hate to say this but doesnt matter if it was half finished or fully finished it still would have been destroyed why bc anakin would have still killed the emperor an luke would have just destroyed it from the inside so no the rebellion wouldnt have been destroyed either way 😅😅😅😅😅