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I'll admit, I tend to get overwhelmed with a solution to a problem is open-ended. Figuring out a puzzle makes me feel clever, sure, but I feel like something deep within me finds comfort in the fact that there is a solution and I just need to figure it out. I'm unfortunately not very good when it comes to "solving problems" like a programmer would myself, so maybe that's why I get turned off by the more "open" games... That, and they tend to take up a lot of time just exploring the the possibilities, something that I don't have much of these days.
ОтветитьThis explains exactly why I enjoy playing Minecraft but hate puzzle games
ОтветитьFantatic contraption ftw!
ОтветитьI remember showing some of my classmates in a game design class SpaceChem. They did not understand it and thought I was a weirdo. They're not wrong! lol
Ответитьone of my favourite developers
Ответитьman good vid
Ответить"Programming is basically the best puzzle game in the world"
It might be, until after hours upon hours of debugging uncooperative javascript code you end up launching PS-Doom (a Doom source port that represents each process running on your Linux box as a demon) just so you can find the one that represents the Node.js runtime so that you can totally wreck it with the BFG.
My favorite problem solver is the game INSIDE
ОтветитьAdam Millard - The Architect of Games has his own video about this divide, even using the same terminology of puzzles vs problems, and he discussed them in more depth and talked about the pros and cons of them.
For example, problem-type games have more replay value as mentioned, and don’t run into common puzzle-game issues with “moon logic puzzles” where designers who aren’t tuned in to how their players think can make nonsensical puzzles where it’s hard to follow the designer’s train of logic.
However, there is one major benefit to puzzle-types: since puzzle games can control how the player proceeds through them, they can integrate their story into the game much more tightly and make it more impactful. Games like The Witness and especially Portal 2 can have a much stronger story than problem-type games; moments like Portal 2’s Companion Cube sequence wouldn’t work in a game where you’re free to do whatever.
I literally played and loved all of those "educational" games that he flashed on the screen 😂
ОтветитьMatthewmatosis has done really in-depth videos on all Zacktronix ganes. Defintely worth checking out after this video.
ОтветитьWhile True; Learn
ОтветитьI'm firmly in the "puzzle game" camp vs the "problem solving" camp.
I'm extremely good in a crisis situation. Beyond that I cannot engineer my way out of a wet paper bag. And I definitely don't want to do engineering anything for a game
Would love a revisit of this topic with a more in-depth look!
ОтветитьI know this was six years ago but were people really not saying "zach-like" games back in 2016?
ОтветитьMan really said Kohctpyktop. It says Конструктор, which means Contstructor.
Ответитьfavorite problem solving game? Factorio, easily.
ОтветитьOpus Magnum is basically the Alchemical Engineering flash game he made polished up to a nice hexagonal shine, and is the only zachtronics game I haven't refunded (and i've even beaten it too!)
ОтветитьI think I prefer RPG's as my main videogames because it's a good mixture of puzzle and problem solving.
Ответитьzacktronics is underrated
ОтветитьHonestly, this is probably why I love programming. My first solutions will be ridiculous but I can keep coming back and keep tweaking it and it's rare that I feel like, oh I don't know the answer to that, I don't think I can do that .... I mean it will be horrendous when I do it the first time but like at least I have somewhere to start 🤣.
ОтветитьReminds me of how recaptchas are actually used to train AI
ОтветитьI agree that it would be more fun/educational/interesting to invent a solution for a puzzle but don't you think it's a bit harder in the making to create a puzzle that would be opened with more than one key
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ОтветитьBaba is You is designed like a problem solving game but since there's never more than 1 solution it's kinda reverted back to puzzle solving game.
ОтветитьYou: "Puzzle Solving... or Problem Solving"
Me: "It's the same picture"
I'm so happy my friend showed me Infinifactory. I've put 180hrs into it and I still haven't beaten all the levels. Much of my time has been going back and improving old solutions or perfectly optimizing solutions for the 3 criteria. Portal 2 is still my favorite puzzle game, but Infinifactory is by far my favorite problem solving game
ОтветитьThis channel is such a treat oh my god.
Ответитьyeah programming is fun but holy fuck does it hurt my head
Ответитьthose games would frustrate me to no end...
ОтветитьWhere would Baba Is You fall under this system?
On one hand it feels like a puzzle game in the sense that every level has a main solution.
But on the other hand it feels different, somehow, from the normal puzzle game. Not entirely sure though.
I like Puzzle games like The Room.
ОтветитьMy best problem solving game: Python.
And I play at job :)
Discovery versus Exploration...I think might have been a better title. Maybe for a future video. I remember people making videos about the base human drive toward Discovery and Exploration. Who was it, Extra Credits???
Ответитьbruh im an electrical engineering student and youre talking to me about designing integrated circuits to a specification in a GAME
inb4 i try it and its actually fun, might help me work with motivation
Hey hey I don’t appreciate the hate for Math Blaster that game was 🔥
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Конструктор is a Russian word
Ответитьit would be interesting to use this principle as a mechanic in a traditional puzzle game. like you need to manufacture the piece you need to reach a key on the other side of a locked door or you need to program a robot to do something that looks like wasting time while you run around tossing a counterbalance so you can hit 3 switches at the same time
ОтветитьMy least favorite one is called “reality”
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